SWP expulsions and squabbles

[imposs1904]

I said to geri on the weekend watching the hunt, that is prettyboy murphy's future.

a crumb of comfort for those of us who were never pretty boys.

 

[audiotech]

China Meiville Vs Zizek

Classic:

“I’ve been watching you Miéville” Žižek says, stepping forward, “I know what you’re up to” he points “you’re trying to usurp me, but you will fail!! There’s only room in this world for one poster-boy of pop-culture Marxism with a phonically difficult surname. And that’s me! ME! ME! ME! You will not take that away from me.”

 

[Das Uberdog]

He was one of the few who looked able to revitalize IS thought rather than curate its decline I reckon. (who else? Neil Davidson, Hannah Dee, David Renton, Gareth Dale? bit of an elitist way to look at it admittedly) Hence he's such a lightning rod for loyalist anger. I'll also agree that he carried quite some sub-culture of the academy, but that's frankly a refreshing addition to that of the SWP. It's very refreshing to see an escape from the theoretical insularity of most Trotskyist writers, compared to treating Stuart Hall or Judith Butler (or whoever) as a morality tale about the political uselessness of everyone else's ideas. But then analysis can only degenerate when put in constant service of a bureaucratic apparatus!

Hannah Dee?

 

[SLK]

As way of a bump, a considered resignation statement from Manchester Uni SWSS

"The British far left has a habit of cyclical degeneration and a paranoid lust for ideological purity that has to be overcome with the utmost urgency if it is to be able to offer a genuine alternative to austerity"

and some good words on the necessity to work with CC loyalists in the future.

http://internationalsocialistnetwor...er-swss-disaffiliation-and-resignation-letter

 

[treelover]

Wonder how many ISN turned up at the Sheff LU meeting?

 

[The39thStep]

As way of a bump, a considered resignation statement from Manchester Uni SWSS

"The British far left has a habit of cyclical degeneration and a paranoid lust for ideological purity that has to be overcome with the utmost urgency if it is to be able to offer a genuine alternative to austerity"

and some good words on the necessity to work with CC loyalists in the future.

http://internationalsocialistnetwor...er-swss-disaffiliation-and-resignation-letter

Here comes the genuine alternative:

To conclude, Trotsky started anew when he realised the Third International was lost. It is with no small degree of an inflated sense of self-importance that we loosely equate our position now with his.

 

[belboid]

According to one chap at the LU meeting last night, various (mainly younger) comrades have been 'reported' to the CC for failures of discipline, some several times, but they won't make any moves to expel or discipline them in any way. Running scared of it all kicking off again?

 

[dominion]

Recommended reading for SWP members

 

[belboid]

unputdownable

 

[J Ed]

Wonder how many ISN turned up at the Sheff LU meeting?

Dunno but some did and most of them are in the facebook group.

 

[treelover]

unputdownable

nowt there..

 

[two sheds]

nowt there..

qed

 

[J Ed]

So in SWP news today:

I saw the first SWP paper sale at Sheffield Uni in a while, dunno if they resumed earlier this week as I hadn't been to campus since last week. I don't think the people selling papers were students.

All the SWP dissident student societies (named Rev Soc) seem to have demonstrated that they have broken with the old fashioned newspaper selling technique by... producing magazines! wtf. Here is the one from UEL http://www.scribd.com/doc/139052262/Crisis-Vol-1

 

[Brainaddict]

wtf. Here is the one from UEL http://www.scribd.com/doc/139052262/Crisis-Vol-1

wtf indeed.
Intro that moralises about capitalism while explaining nothing and using alienating language? Check.
Desire to position themselves correctly on an international issue about which people don't want to hear their opinions? Check.
Confused exposition of distant historical event involving socialists in order to deliver a political message of little relevance to their audience? Check.
Lenin quote in dig at former party at the end? Check.

Some of the other articles might be okay (only skimmed) but the overall picture is of people who haven't really left the party even though they left the party. Shame they couldn't take the opportunity of discovering their party was rubbish in order to reassess their ideas a bit more thoroughly.

 

[butchersapron]

So in SWP news today:

I saw the first SWP paper sale at Sheffield Uni in a while, dunno if they resumed earlier this week as I hadn't been to campus since last week. I don't think the people selling papers were students.

All the SWP dissident student societies (named Rev Soc) seem to have demonstrated that they have broken with the old fashioned newspaper selling technique by... producing magazines! wtf. Here is the one from UEL http://www.scribd.com/doc/139052262/Crisis-Vol-1

That is total and utter rubbish.

 

[frogwoman]

dear god that's awful

 

[J Ed]

I have no idea what the Sheffield one is like (it's called Dissent) or the Leeds one is like (called The Spark) but the Sheffield lot were trying to flog their magazine at the Left Unity meeting.

 

[butchersapron]

wtf indeed.
Intro that moralises about capitalism while explaining nothing and using alienating language? Check.
Desire to position themselves correctly on an international issue about which people don't want to hear their opinions? Check.
Confused exposition of distant historical event involving socialists in order to deliver a political message of little relevance to their audience? Check.
Lenin quote in dig at former party at the end? Check.

Some of the other articles might be okay (only skimmed) but the overall picture is of people who haven't really left the party even though they left the party. Shame they couldn't take the opportunity of discovering their party was rubbish in order to reassess their ideas a bit more thoroughly.

That is nothing like SWP stuff.

 

[Brainaddict]

Well, praps it is more reminiscent of the writing of other minor leninist sects than of the SWPs patronising style, but the point is they haven't done much deep soul-searching on their ideas. It's sad, that's the point.

 

[xslavearcx]

dear god that's awful

after reading the last 4 posts including yours giving a bad review of this magazine. think ill have to take a look at it

 

[sihhi]

"During WW2 the Koreans led by Kim Il Sung, led a guerrilla war against the Japanese occupation"

Stalinist Koreans or not real Koreans!

 

[xslavearcx]

to be fair. its 20p, so you get what you pay for...

 

[xslavearcx]

haha, front page 97 years since the easter rising, would it not be better to wait 3 years to get a nice round number

 

[butchersapron]

The SWP will just destroy this stuff, i'm not a fan of stuff around writers, but FFS they have to come up with something.

 

[coley]

 

[sihhi]

The Molotov cocktail as a header/logo - you don't even see that on insurrectionist anarchist publications any more.

 

[barney_pig]

"During WW2 the Koreans led by Kim Il Sung, led a guerrilla war against the Japanese occupation"

Stalinist Koreans or not real Koreans!

Looks like a late entry for the Juche franchise

 

[cesare]

 

[The39thStep]

very useful in taking on the rise of UKIP

 

[The39thStep]