SWP expulsions and squabbles

[ViolentPanda]

I dont do it automaticlly at all.

But in this case its because it reaks of bullshit. It just doesnt make sense.

You know one of the biggest problems with most witness testimony? The fact (quantified by decades of criminological and psychological research) that it's rarely as consistent as people would like it to be. Instead of reading like an internally-consistent narrative, it usually contains exactly what real life contains - some non-sequiturs, inconsistency and sometimes even contradictions.
In other words, the fact that it "doesn't make sense" to you, doesn't mean it's necessarily "bullshit".

 

[ViolentPanda]

This shite.

He's a bit up his own arse, that "snowball".

 

[frogwoman]

It looks like a load of old bollocks to me

 

[ViolentPanda]

love the way he is condemning support for Syriza in one post and then, mmm, promoting Syriza in the very next one!

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". For rabbit worrier that goes double!

 

[ViolentPanda]

It looks like a load of old bollocks to me

It appears to be written not with the principle of relating a tale or event in mind, but with the idea of pointing up the author's supposed erudition to an elite audience.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Multitudinous positionism.

Simultaneous multitudinous positionism, or serial multitudinous positionism? I think we should be told, comrade!

 

[SpineyNorman]

Both - so it's multitudinous multitudinous positionism

 

[ViolentPanda]

Both - so it's multitudinous multitudinous positionism

Ah, he's one of those "hedge my bets with both wings of the party" types, is he?

 

[leyton96]

Ah, he's one of those "hedge my bets with both wings of the party" types, is he?

Don't think so. He comes across as a fairly hardline loyalist in his interactions on the Socviet Goonboy blog.
The "multitudinous positionism" is just a product of the general theoretical confusion common in most SWP members.

 

[discokermit]

the avps story rings true for me, especially if the woman involved was in a smaller, more isolated branch.

 

[SpackleFrog]

the avps story rings true for me, especially if the woman involved was in a smaller, more isolated branch.

It's amazing the things that can go on in isolated branches of the SWP. Which you can't blame totally on the party but must be partly caused by a lack of communication between branches and the party and by frankly shit/non-existent regional structures.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Part IV of SEYMOUR! has gone up.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

It's amazing the things that can go on in isolated branches of the SWP. Which you can't blame totally on the party but must be partly caused by a lack of communication between branches and the party and by frankly shit/non-existent regional structures.

Was this the Dunwich branch? Or Innsmouth?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Part IV of SEYMOUR! has gone up.

A reference to two affiliates resigning. The Serbs are one. Who were the others?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Was this the Dunwich branch? Or Innsmouth?

No in Dunwich they pass cold calamari between their mouths

 

[discokermit]

Was this the Dunwich branch? Or Innsmouth?

fuck off, pickmans.

oh, sorry.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Don't think so. He comes across as a fairly hardline loyalist in his interactions on the Socviet Goonboy blog.
The "multitudinous positionism" is just a product of the general theoretical confusion common in most SWP members.

it is strange though, that in a few years (three for me) the SWP explain their politics clearly enough that most members could predict what would be in socialist worker, what would be the line on many issues, before it was printed. And yet in 10 years on here I still don't have a Scooby Doo about the politics of many of this forums leading members.

 

[Pickman's model]

it is strange though, that in a few years (three for me) the SWP explain their politics clearly enough that most members could predict what would be in socialist worker, what would be the line on many issues, before it was printed. And yet in 10 years on here I still don't have a Scooby Doo about the politics of many of this forums leading members.

if it took the swp three years to get it through your thick skull what their simplistick politics were then people here who have more complex notions will of course take longer for you to understand.

 

[TremulousTetra]

"If you can't argue the line, you should consider your position in the party."

hmmm, must have been reading Urban 75 comments, that we should vet people before allowing them to join.

 

[mk12]

it is strange though, that in a few years (three for me) the SWP explain their politics clearly enough that most members could predict what would be in socialist worker, what would be the line on many issues, before it was printed. And yet in 10 years on here I still don't have a Scooby Doo about the politics of many of this forums leading members.

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

 

[Pickman's model]

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

don't waste your time on that serial loser.

 

[chilango]

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

That's be fun. Didn't Ern used to do that?

 

[TremulousTetra]

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

violent panda.

 

[Pickman's model]

violent panda.

 

[TremulousTetra]

if it took the swp three years to get it through your thick skull what their simplistick politics were then people here who have more complex notions will of course take longer for you to understand.

I've often said, that the conclusion of the understanding was the reading of the French revolution ISJ, and in particular the article by John Rees The Algebra of Revolution on the dialectic. The dialectic, the political economy, imperialism, sectarianism, racism and very pertinently sexism not only all made sense, but inter-meshed and supported each other. To get such an holistic analysis through my thick skull, WAS some achievement. Beyond that, you're probably right, your ideas are just too clever for me.

 

[discokermit]

and yet you still engage.

 

[JimW]

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

Could you do mine for me? I have no clue where I stand these days other than I hate the bastards.

 

[frogwoman]

I've often said, that the conclusion of the understanding was the reading of the French revolution ISJ, and in particular the article by John Rees The Algebra of Revolution on the dialectic. The dialectic, the political economy, imperialism, sectarianism, racism and very pertinently sexism not only all made sense, but inter-meshed and supported each other. To get such an holistic analysis through my thick skull, WAS some achievement. Beyond that, you're probably right, your ideas are just too clever for me.

john rees, that master dialectician (is that a word?) such an advanced consciousness he's now to be found hanging around conspiracy loons and the iranian government.

 

[TremulousTetra]

 

[TremulousTetra]

john rees, that master dialectician (is that a word?) such an advanced consciousness he's now to be found hanging around conspiracy loons and the iranian government.

Have you read the article from the ISJ autumn 89?