SWP expulsions and squabbles

[Nigel Irritable]

I meant a connection with the trajectory of the politics of the SWP

You are certainly right about that. Rees wanted to continue and deepen the "turn outwards" approach of StW, Respect etc. All "united fronts" all the time. Smith and his supporters represented a back to the routine before they fall apart retrenchment.

 

[sihhi]

He is also a guest to the Islam Channel's Global Peace and Unity Festival - its main remit is soft Muslim nationalism - hence invites to prominent Muslims and establishment figures opposed to the war in Iraq.

Scratch that, looking at its website it does invites people who supported the war as well like Stephen Timms, Charlie Falconer and Dominic Grieve.

http://www.theglobalunity.com/speakers/

It also does invite people such as dodgy Holocaust neo-revisionist Dr Joel Hayward, who wrote the notorious thesis The Fate of the Jews in German Hands: An Historical Enquiry Into the Development and Significance of Holocaust Revisionism in the early 90s in New Zealand that led to a massive row in 2000, basically saying holocaust denial should be treated as a meaningful current of historical revision work,

and prominent 9-11 truther William Rodgriguez, a chief spokesperson for the 9/11 Truth Commission

and the truly vile Mohammad Ijaz ul-Haq, son and supporter of his dad Zia

 

[ViolentPanda]

You've repeated this so many times over the last few years. It's blindingly obvious what long-term posters' politics are.

Tell you what, you come up with a list of posters and I'll give you a summary of their politics. I await your PM.

And if my name is on his list I'll link to the plethora of threads on which I've explained my politics to him!

 

[ViolentPanda]

violent panda.

I tell you what, I'm not a total cunt, I'll give you the opportunity to withdraw that. If it isn't gone by midday tomorrow, I'll humiliate you by posting links to threads on which I've gone to great lengths to explain my politics, several times to you personally on your request.

 

[Pickman's model]

I tell you what, I'm not a total cunt, I'll give you the opportunity to withdraw that. If it isn't gone by midday tomorrow, I'll humiliate you by posting links to threads on which I've gone to great lengths to explain my politics, several times to you personally on your request.

no humiliate him tonight

 

[discokermit]

what's the point? why bother?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Silly sod appears to have forgotten that he actually thanked me a couple of years back for explaining my politics to him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've often said, that the conclusion of the understanding was the reading of the French revolution ISJ, and in particular the article by John Rees The Algebra of Revolution on the dialectic. The dialectic, the political economy, imperialism, sectarianism, racism and very pertinently sexism not only all made sense, but inter-meshed and supported each other. To get such an holistic analysis through my thick skull, WAS some achievement. Beyond that, you're probably right, your ideas are just too clever for me.

Yes, you've often regurgitated that POV, sometimes in words very close to other peoples' summaries of Rees' article.

 

[ViolentPanda]

john rees, that master dialectician (is that a word?) such an advanced consciousness he's now to be found hanging around conspiracy loons and the iranian government.

This is the problem with having a consciousness so advanced that it's even out in front of the vanguard - people think you're a loonspud deluxe!

 

[Pickman's model]

what's the point? why bother?

For the umpteenth time this is *urban*. Not only do we not need a point, there is no point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Have Counterfire been buttering up the conspiranauts?

That doesn't inspire the most savoury of mental images!

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, you've often regurgitated that POV, sometimes in words very close to other peoples' summaries of Rees' article.

Most of his posts remind one of something regurgitated.

 

[discokermit]

For the umpteenth time this is *urban*. Not only do we not need a point, there is no point.

i'm all for pointless arguing, if it's entertaining. with rmp it's just drivel and outright lies. nobody is entertained, nobody learns anything, it's just another boring couple of pages everyone has to skip through.

 

[treelover]

Reading SEYMOUR'S! blogs its obvious he has a high(Reesian?) opinion of himself, lots about his bravery etc, no mention of him totally changing his position on the refinery strikes when the line came down from Vauxhall...

 

[discokermit]

Reading SEYMOUR'S! blogs its obvious he has a high(Reesian?) opinion of himself, lots about his bravery etc,

examples?

 

[treelover]

I tell you what, I'm not a total cunt, I'll give you the opportunity to withdraw that. If it isn't gone by midday tomorrow, I'll humiliate you by posting links to threads on which I've gone to great lengths to explain my politics, several times to you personally on your request.

you keep files?

 

[Delroy Booth]

you keep files?

Doesn't everyone?

 

[discokermit]

Doesn't everyone?

i keep flies.

 

[treelover]

''BBC Breakfast TV ran an item on the crisis in the SWP this morning (Sat 16/3) based on a two page spread in the Daily Mail. The Mail alleges a third female comrade has come forward and has made allegations of rape. It also claims that the party is haemorrhaging members and is on the point of collapse.''


didn't know it had been on TV, SWP head honcho's and some ex ones must be shitting themselves now...

 

[sihhi]

Have Counterfire been buttering up the conspiranauts?

It's not how you put it, Islamist "conspiranauts" like MPAC have been using John Rees (not Counterfire as a whole) in order to proclaim the "truth" of a generalised assault on 'Islam' and/or 'Muslims' to a wider audience.
John Rees is acting as an unwitting dummy for these people.
When he speaks at a BDS event with Lauren Booth on one side and MPAC's chief on the other, saying similar general stuff, he's allowing his anti-racist and socialist credentials to be used as a figleaf to help them (Booth and MPAC) prove they are not conspiracists focusing on battling Zionist lobby power.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

That doesn't inspire the most savoury of mental images!

Last Tango in German?

 

[treelover]

meant to be Renfield, but didn't embed...

i keep flies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

you keep files?

Nope. You just don't forget something as mind-numbing as having to explain the basics of anarchism in terms simple enough for a dufus to understand.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Last Tango in German?

Christ, I wish I hadn't just eaten!

 

[Hocus Eye.]

''BBC Breakfast TV ran an item on the crisis in the SWP this morning (Sat 16/3) based on a two page spread in the Daily Mail. The Mail alleges a third female comrade has come forward and has made allegations of rape. It also claims that the party is haemorrhaging members and is on the point of collapse.''


didn't know it had been on TV, SWP head honcho's and some ex ones must be shitting themselves now...

How very surprising that the BBC regards the Mail as a reliable source. [/tongue in cheek]

 

[treelover]

didn't know it was a two page spread, are their readers really that interested in the goings on of a tiny sect, especially in the paid for print edition...

 

[Nigel Irritable]

John Rees is acting as an unwitting dummy for these people.

Everyone who invites a speaker hopes to gain something by it. Everyone who accepts an invitation hopes to gain something by it.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

didn't know it was a two page spread, are their readers really that interested in the goings on of a tiny sect, especially in the paid for print edition...

Well there is not much other UK news except for the economy and their readers wouldn't understand that.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Reading SEYMOUR'S! blogs its obvious he has a high(Reesian?) opinion of himself, lots about his bravery etc, no mention of him totally changing his position on the refinery strikes when the line came down from Vauxhall...

And why does everything have a fucking nickname? The National Council is 'called' the House of Lords apparently. And the cc all have these hilarious Billy Bunter monikers. Maybe between RS and China they do.

 

[treelover]

''I remain broadly a Leninist in the sense that I want to see organisation based on the most militant sections of the movement rather then simply a passive organisation reflecting the whole class (or, to put it in contemporary language, the electorate). I don't think though that democratic centralism is appropriate for the small band of socialists that exist at the moment (I do think a network is much better) and I think a new leadership should be built from the bottom up in the localities. I think the notion of a democratic centralism without such a base can only end with the absurd idea that 'leadership' can be built outside the context of class struggle.''

btl post on ISB

not the broadest possible range of people taking it upon themselves to challenge the growing poverty, inequality and petty brutalities of the modern turbo-capitalist era...