SWP expulsions and squabbles

[bolshiebhoy]

Where does he or she do that?

When he or she says that this crisis "shows a surprising core of healthy spirit and very good people left inside this organism" and namechecks RS and China. Then gushes "I am damn grateful that this shadow of our once proud party managed to recruit such prolific representatives of a new radical generation. They might make up for the terrible drain of so many of our best people."

 

[mk12]

Going back to what Rmp3 said earlier about the SWP don't regard the rest of the left as their enemies. If that's the case they don't have a very funny way of showing it in terms of the dishonesty and sectarianism that they routinely show. It's just not true to say some on the left aren't our enemies. For instance because the class struggle is so low in the UK at the moment the left can be largely ignored. However when working class militancy rises how can you not say that social democrats and left social democrats won't be an enemy? The social democrats that murdered Rosa Luxemburg were far to the left of the current Labour Party lot. But even in the here and now the trade union bureaucracy is the enemy, even sections of it that call themselves left, like the leadership of the NUT.

Also there is the obvious example of stalinists.

What about the Leninists who imprisoned and executed workers and peasants?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

What about the Leninists who imprisoned and executed workers and peasants?

they're ok

 

[xslavearcx]

i seen a posted from socialist workers party advertising some event they've got going for international womens day. gotta admire the gall they've got..

 

[emanymton]

For those who are interested the IB is leaked already, all 108 pages of it.

ETA, there is one contribution called building an active branch

ETA again, A certain Jonathan N has a contribution.

 

[tony collins]

Dont forget Neale is a New Yorker by birth so the IS in the US is likely a subject close to his heart as the Irish group is to Dublin ex pats like me

He made a mistake about the ISO tho - he said it "rejoined the tendency in the wake of the first gulf war in 1990". This isn't the case - the ISO was a member of the IST from the start, and never left until its expulsion.

 

[discokermit]

"Comrade Sigma"

could this be an alexander trocchi reference?

 

[butchersapron]

Not enough minds.

 

[barney_pig]

Chanie's short contribution is detached and a bit sad.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

So basically, your enemies are everyone but yourself.

Obviously not. I'm talking about social democratic leaders. The same with stalinist organisations.

 

[cesare]

108 pages

 

[barney_pig]

Obviously not. I'm talking about social democratic leaders. The same with stalinist organisations.

Lets have a united front from below

 

[emanymton]

108 pages

I have had a very quick skim over it, i don't know if I have the will to read it all, or even half of it.

 

[xslavearcx]

108 pages

and its not even on a large font with pictures in it!!!

 

[barney_pig]

Penny, Donny and terry p.77 & 78 are definitely my favourite

 

[cesare]

I have had a very quick skim over it, i don't know if I have the will to read it all, or even half of it.

p78/9 is the Stop Digging part. Other than that, it'd be useful to know whether it's just a collection of all the blog articles I suppose.

 

[xslavearcx]

i like how it starts with a message that its only to be circulated amongst members, an article on 'openness in the age of the internet', but then its circulated as a pdf thus making it easy as fuck to be read on forums like this

 

[cesare]

i like how it starts with a message that its only to be circulated amongst members, an article on 'openness in the age of the internet', but then its circulated as a pdf thus making it easy as fuck to be read on forums like this

I suppose that circulating it as a PDF makes it harder for any mischievous person/s to alter it

 

[xslavearcx]

just copy and paste onto open office and then insert whatever gifs one has in mind and then save as a pdf. sorted!

 

[october_lost]

In a small number of cases we have had to edit some of these documents where there are issues of libel or confidentiality.

Can't fault them for trying...

 

[imposs1904]

108 pages

2013 reading challenge here I come.

 

[Red Cat]

Chanie's short contribution is detached and a bit sad.

Yes.

 

[xslavearcx]

2013 reading challenge here I come.

 

[cesare]

Souvenir edition.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That was quick

As the actress said to the bishop.

 

[barney_pig]

As the actress said to the bishop.

Priest to the cardinal

 

[ViolentPanda]

What about the Leninists who imprisoned and executed workers and peasants?

Obviously fifth columnists of reactionary forces attempting to sabotage the peoples' revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat, comrade.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Priest to the cardinal

TBF I was thinking more Anglican than Catholic.

 

[belboid]

When he or she says that this crisis "shows a surprising core of healthy spirit and very good people left inside this organism" and namechecks RS and China. Then gushes "I am damn grateful that this shadow of our once proud party managed to recruit such prolific representatives of a new radical generation. They might make up for the terrible drain of so many of our best people."

Do you think he (or she) really thinks all the other people praised are brilliant intellectual minds? That Elaine H was a masterful [sic] analyst of late feminism? Or is s/he using them as examples of people who were at least good at thinking critically, at least, and being able to actually answer questions raised from things happening in the here and now? That is what I take from that praise for SEYMOUR! And China. Who on the CC can you imagine really tackling any theoretical questions seriously* apart from his Lordship? If the party drives away people of that ability - even if they would eventually leave anyway - why would anyone at all critical ever join?


* oddly, my spellchecker wanted to replace my initial attempt at 'seriously' with 'sexually'. Comrade Delta is the ghost in my machine....

 

[belboid]

i seen a posted from socialist workers party advertising some event they've got going for international womens day. gotta admire the gall they've got..

All over the country! And proper public meetings. 7.30 at the Showroom in Sheffield, with Jo Cardwell as speaker.