Fedayn
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You don't think the way the SWP treated a possible rape victim and still has little problem with martin smith puts people off? A tad more of a worry than a few lines of 'fuck the UAF' wouldn't you say?
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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You don't think the way the SWP treated a possible rape victim and still has little problem with martin smith puts people off? A tad more of a worry than a few lines of 'fuck the UAF' wouldn't you say?
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
You are distressed that your daughters might hear someone say fuck the Uaf, but happy for them to associate with Martin smith?
comrade spurski
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I have done nothing but criticise the swp and it's handling of the womens complaints...criticise what i say but don't make shit up.
I've written very few posts as I am a new member so it's easy enough for you to check
comrade spurski
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No...go back and read my previous posts which clearly criticise the SWP handling of the case...I have not said anything about being happy to have my daughters around him.
I find it incredible that anyone can write shit like this in response to me saying fuck the UAF lacks a bit of perspective...I never claimed my kids would be distressed I said that they'd think that someone who said it was being a prick.
This is why I stay the fuck away from the organised left and ...one disagreement and personal shit is thrown around...so far I've been criticised for mentioning my daughters...you've suggested I'm happy for for my kids to associate with someone accused of rape...some one else has mentioned the swps handling of the rape case even though my comments were I THINK SAYING FUCK THE UAF & HOPING THE RAPE CRISIS BRINGS DOWN THE UAF lacks perspective. Personally I hope anyone who is a rapist is jailed but hey ho ... maybe this is me being a wooly liberal again.
Most people I know have never heard of the SWP...none have heard of martin smith and none of them know fuck all about what has been going on ... so saying FUCK THE UAF & HOPING THE RAPE CRISIS BRINGS DOWN THE UAF would push them away...that was and is all I am saying...what the fuck is wrong with that? Or are more moronic things going to be made up?
discokermit
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that's what i was wondering. they've obviously been around a long time and quite close to cliff. maybe even ex cc?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The piece gives the strong impression that this is someone who was prominent enough in the 90s to be speaking at rallies with Cliff, but also someone who is still a member. Assuming that neither of those things are misdirection, I suspect that it would probably be easy enough for a longstanding SWP member to work out the writer's identity.
discokermit
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based on no evidence whatsoever and very little thought, the name that popped into my head was dave hayes. dunno why, except i thought the "whatever happened to dave hayes" bit could have been a little gag and/or a weak (possibly deliberately so) attempt at misdirection.
i also wondered if it could be bambery.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I doubt if Bambery has the self-awareness to analyse the regime he ran as secretary in those terms. And he's probably not quite egomaniacal enough to throw in the great Marxist stuff about himself - if only because it would be embarrassing when he was revealed as the author.
discokermit
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discokermit
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that would be funny though.
bolshiebhoy
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Neale sounds right, his writing style is similar enough. He almost had me when he wrote "we have lost too many of our very best people and promoted too many third-rate figures." Not the most ideological of arguments but something we can all see happening in the last decade and more (personally I think Harman's death is the biggest blow the swp has had as he was a perfect intelectual commpanion for the prof). But then he cites Seymour as one of those who "might make up for the terrible drain of so many of our best people" and he lost me :-(
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
Was Neale ever that senior? My guess is Paul McGarr. No fool and close enough to Harman to take this informed line. Other than the Bambery anomaly, I thought the praise for KO and EH quirky, to say the least. I'm trying to remember who else was part of that knot of London organisers back in the day. Hmmm. Sue C, Seth H, Moria N... none of whom could have written this.
neprimerimye
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There is no reason to assume that Sigma is a comrade from Britain. In fact if the comrade is a member or former member of another IST group the slightly odd opinions that s/he holds as t the character or abilities of certain leading figures is easily explained by lack of fist hand knowledge.
Fedayn
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But your ire is far stronger with a few throw away lines that it is for the way this has been dealt with. Why is that?
You should check them yourself, your pathetic schoolboy tantrums about 'fuck the UAF' say plenty.
bolshiebhoy
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I think contrary to nep that this must have been a UK based head from everything they say.
Neale or Mcgarr sounds reasonable. Cause I'm sad I just did a Gunning-Fog Readability Index check on the document above which yields a score of 9.3. Two articles by Neale yield 8.2 and 9 while two of Mcgarr's score 11 and 11.9 (with a decade between their publication) so on this not entirely scientific basis I'm sticking with Neale!
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
A revealing Freudian slip about the nature of SWP relationships
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It would also explain the concentration on the "tendency" as opposed to the "party". That's a rather rare angle for anyone in the British SWP to take. The international sister groups just aren't seen as all that significant or relevant to the past and present of the SWP, by and large.
Almost certainly someone for whom English is their first language. So either someone from another Anglophone section or one of the English people who founded sections elsewhere, more likely the former given the numbers of people in each category.
Doesn't seem to be an ISOer from the way the ISO is discussed, which is sympathetic in tone but not really the langauge of a member. The official Austrialian group is led by pro-CC people, the rival IS style group would be unlikely to produce someone who writes of the IST as if they were still members, while the NZ group is defunct. There aren't many likely culprits in Ireland, but I suppose someone like C. Kostick, who has already made his pro-faction sympathies clear, could have produced it.
That is, of course, assuming that it is from a former overseas section leader rather than simply the work of an SWP old hand.
bolshiebhoy
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If my suspicions on another matter are correct there's no way this is CK!
emanymton
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Sounds like a really good set of arguments for it being Neale
bolshiebhoy
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Dont forget Neale is a New Yorker by birth so the IS in the US is likely a subject close to his heart as the Irish group is to Dublin ex pats like me 
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Cryptic even by the standards of this thread!
bolshiebhoy
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Pretty sure I've heard that CK doesn't know who Sigma is either, that's all.
audiotech
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Eamonn McCann?
Edit: Played by an actor in the film Bloody Sunday, which I've just come across on YouTube, and will watch later.
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neprimerimye
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Not an American but the author, if my guess is correct, was a Shact.
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