SWP expulsions and squabbles

[DotCommunist]

the clue is in your own words. Are robots humans? You were the one crying about dehumanising. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of such a claim when one refers to people as robots etc.

To me people who describe SWP members in such a way are displaying the typical cult /sectarian trait, who would rather vilify and dehumanise the opponent because they are too lazy/ ignorant/ Machiavellian to take on the arguments..

deny the robot

 

[cesare]

U r dmpd

 

[The39thStep]

that is a fucking cool name.

He is a cool bloke, ex leader of Skaters Against the War.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

to be fair, every post of his is like that now. i only read them for comedy value.

Stack makes it clear why he thinks Seymour shouldn't be expelled right now. and it ain't cause he shares his 'nuanced' differences. Funny how people only read into Stack what they want to find there. I know he's facing two ways at once.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

He is a cool bloke, ex leader of Skaters Against the War.

I heard he's working for Political Scrapbook as a sub-editor/intern now?

 

[discokermit]

He is a cool bloke, ex leader of Skaters Against the War.

i've gone off him now.

 

[The39thStep]

I heard he's working for Political Scrapbook as a sub-editor/intern now?

Yes he is on a coach trip across Europe to watch a few demo's and hang out with skaters and poets. I got a text from him but he had either left the auto speller on or it was in Greek or something.

 

[emanymton]

Stack makes it clear why he thinks Seymour shouldn't be expelled right now. and it ain't cause he shares his 'nuanced' differences. Funny how people only read into Stack what they want to find there. I know he's facing two ways at once.

I thought what he said about the 'facebook 4' was quite revealing. That it was tactically wrong to expel them, nothing about it being wrong in principle just tactically.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Exactly emanymton. And the way he says Seymour, just Seymour the second time he mentions him, not Richard.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Came across a picture tonight of myself and others on FB from 21 years ago in Dublin during the X Case on a day when Cliffites, anarchists and Millie's were all literally shoulder to shoulder against the Youth Defence anti abortion bigots. One of my favourite times to be alive and political. A simple uncomplicated day of our side vs theirs. In some ways I wish we could have stopped time on that day and not have to trawl through horrible debates like this shit on this thread (yes I know whose fault that is etc). Plus I had a lot more hair then. My point being that there can't be anyone that enjoys this bloodletting nonsense, it's not why people get involvd in the first place. But you'd have to be totally naive to think it isn't sometimes and for well defined purposes necessary.

 

[discokermit]

Exactly emanymton. And the way he says Seymour, just Seymour the second time he mentions him, not Richard.

i'm making no comment about what stack thinks about seymour, but this is rubbish. i mean, "not richard"? this is just bollocks.

 

[electric.avenue]

https://twitter.com/davidosler/status/301078184932294658

Couldn't resist. Not sure why it hasn't displayed though. Just click.

 

[discokermit]

Cliffites

not "tonyites"?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

i'm making no comment about what stack thinks about seymour, but this is rubbish. i mean, "not richard"? this is just bollocks.

Maybe I am reading too much into a small thing but why are people so reluctant to imagine who Stack means when he says the vanguard of the minority are "people with very substantial differences". This is Stack, a hardened old guard veteran, not some newbie who thinks we should all just agree to differ.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

not "tonyites"?

I'd have said swmers as that's what we were but no fucker younger than 30 would have recognised that name.

 

[emanymton]

i'm making no comment about what stack thinks about seymour, but this is rubbish. i mean, "not richard"? this is just bollocks.

This may be true but the whole spirt of Stack contribution is an appeal to the CC not to throw the baby out with the bath-water.

I wouldn't normally leak stuff that I mange get hold of (not that I ever get anything anyway) but this is pretty innocuous, so on the off chance anyone is interested.

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[discokermit]

Maybe I am reading too much into a small thing but why are people so reluctant to imagine who Stack means when he says the vanguard of the minority are "people with very substantial differences". This is Stack, a hardened old guard veteran, not some newbie who thinks we should all just agree to differ.

it's quite obvious though. these aren't insights. we all know where stack fits in this.

you have these moments of lucidity followed by periods of utter self contradicting fantasy.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

it's quite obvious though. these aren't insights. we all know where stack fits in this.

you have these moments of lucidity followed by periods of utter self contradicting fantasy.

I'll take that

 

[discokermit]

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Happier days when people heard SWP and thought "woman's right to choose". I'm not the one with the placard by the way, though older LSE folk will know him.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I'd have said swmers as that's what we were but no fucker younger than 30 would have recognised that name.

They're still known as swimmers more than swappies over here, you'll be glad to know.

 

[Oisin123]

Happier days when people heard SWP and thought "woman's right to choose". I'm not the one with the placard by the way, though older LSE folk will know him.

So you're S B then. Well, well. Thanks for clarifying matters. Why don't you drop the Swindon Labour Party rubbish and just openly debate your position?

 

[Oisin123]

Me hums: 6-7-9-4-7-0-0, women have the right to know!

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Quite thevreverse, I was questioning whether he was right Oisin, I know he doesn't share their view of how to deal with the debate. Clear enough that he does think some of the platform have it wrong though.

You are correct that he makes it plain that he regards some prominent oppositionists (and he clearly means Seymour and his closest associates) as having "significant differences" with the SWP, and by unstated extension him. And it's also true that he poses much of his argument as tactical advice on how to deal with disquiet.

But it's worth noting that he at no point explains what those "significant differences" are, still less does he mount any argument against those holding them. Every single criticism he raises, every specific argument he makes, is aimed at the CC.

Which is, in retrospect, a bit peculiar.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

So you're S B then. Well, well. Thanks for clarifying matters. Why don't you drop the Swindon Labour Party rubbish and just openly debate your position?

If by SB you mean the fulltimer who went back to England, that's not bolshiebhoy.

 

[Oisin123]

Ahh, yes I did mean him. I wonder who that was doing an injustice to? So bolshieboy is the guy with the hat?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

You are correct that he makes it plain that he regards some prominent oppositionists (and he clearly means Seymour and his closest associates) as having "significant differences" with the SWP, and by unstated extension him. And it's also true that he poses much of his argument as tactical advice on how to deal with disquiet.

But it's worth noting that he at no point explains what those "significant differences" are, still less does he mount any argument against those holding them. Every single criticism he raises, every specific argument he makes, is aimed at the CC.

Which is, in retrospect, a bit peculiar.

I took that as him just not doing the cc's job for them no? They're making the running on what's wrong with the platform's politics but he's concentrating on dc reform and preventing what he sees as an overly administrative response from the cc.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Ahh, yes I did mean him. I wonder who that was doing an injustice to? So bolshieboy is the guy with the hat?

Lol, no the unkempt one in between. Happy to have been confused with your 1st guess mind, top fella that he is.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Me hums: 6-7-9-4-7-0-0, women have the right to know!

That brings back memories.

 

[DrRingDing]

A quick moan.

I come from a small rural town that is over run with a higher than average EDL and BNP membership.

There is only one other person who's left of NIgel Farage in the town. So, he ends up getting and giving shit to goons. Last night a local fascist starts having a whinge on his facebook page. I pile in use a usually effective tactic of pulling out the bag the long list of nonces in the EDL and far right ranks. Even though he appeared to have no genuine knowledge of the paedos on his team he knew full well about Martin Smith and his allegations of rape.

So cheers for that!