SWP expulsions and squabbles

[TremulousTetra]

Yes, the famous SWP canteen. How many of them work in places with works canteens are there i wonder?

the wire Works had a canteen. The hospital had a canteen. The further education college had a canteen. The bus station had a canteen. The mosque and ICI didn't, LOL. All of which I used to do on a Friday. And I used to sell "loadsa papers" in the 80s and 90s. My record at NMGH was 33.

 

[TremulousTetra]

fuck off you dull cunt oxygen thief.

:-*

 

[Pickman's model]

the wire Works had a canteen. The hospital had a canteen. The further education college had a canteen. The bus station had a canteen. The mosque and ICI didn't, LOL. All of which I used to do on a Friday. And I used to sell "loadsa papers" in the 80s and 90s. My record at NMGH was 33.

you must have been very lardy after going round all those canteens.

 

[TremulousTetra]

It's precisely because my own "tradition" (I don't particularly like the term) also places an emphasis on using a paper as an organiser, that I'm pretty skeptical of the various stories you hear about the SWP and their quotas and their secretly-paying-for-unsold-papers and the like.

In my experience (different party, different country), a miniscule percentage of the total sales of our paper come from "personal sales", where a member takes a few and sells them to people they know or meet, in the first place. Members are encouraged to take some, but it's really a pretty low priority. And people would thing you were nuts if you were habitually taking a bunch of papers, not selling them and then paying for them yourself.

butchers is talking shite, just to wind people up. LOL

I was a paper organiser up to about 2001, never any quotas.

 

[TremulousTetra]

I would suspect that such petty make-work and personal power play is the mainstay of their daily operations as it goes. And sorry, but Cliff (from lenin and also part of your tradition) aggressively put forward the role of the paper as organiser - and the swp have reaffirmed this time after time and now contrast it to the internet and its concomitant darkside.

yes, "the paper is the scaffolding upon which the party is built". I don't think anybody would deny the SWP try to sell as many papers as they can.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Give the rather anarchic structure of the SWP outside of the CC and the full time apparatus, and the seemingly rather competitive culture (Birchall's Cliff biography was surprisingly revealing on that) it's entirely possible that you might get some zealot District Organiser or branch paper organiser operating a quota system of some kind in their own fiefdom, but I'm really pretty sure that it's not the norm.

"anarchic " excellent!

 

[TremulousTetra]

Just shows how little you understand about the composition of SWP branches. Most of my branch are either working, unemployed workers or retaired workers. We do have a couple of students as well.

certainly my experience. The myth that the SWP is almost entirely composed of students, trobots unable to think for themselves, is a typical cultish denunciation.

 

[TremulousTetra]

No it doesn't, it means their organsiers can think for them - and where is that claim made anyway?

More to the point, what does it do to your claim that no branches ever get given paper sale quotas?

that is just so fucking lazy

 

[TremulousTetra]

An anarchist acquaintance, then in DAM, purposely bought a SW for his then Alsation pup to piss on. Hilarity all round.

LOL cant say I am surprised.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Sounds more and more like the cubs each post.

where as you sound like a fantasist?

 

[dennisr]

rmp3 thinks he has found a new friend. sad fuck.

 

[Santiagotalk]

So the soft opposition reappear. According to the Weekly Worker, there were over 160 signatories to a soft opposition document distributed at the NC demanding concessions from the CC or else they would start campaigning for a recall conference.

The document existed but the CC would not allow it to be circulated at the NC meeting.

 

[Pickman's model]

rmp3 thinks he has found a new friend. sad fuck.

sad fuckS i think you'll find.

 

[dennisr]

sadFuckMP3

 

[SpackleFrog]

LOL cant say I am surprised.

Stop saying LOL.

 

[butchersapron]

Warning! Warning!

"Jack Conrad begins a short series of articles"

 

[mutley]

One of many truths that this affair has exposed, its that swp students are definitely not trobots

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The document existed but the CC would not allow it to be circulated at the NC meeting.

And the NC went along with the idea that they had no right to see the document? That's almost beyond parody.

 

[DrRingDing]

One of many truths that this affair has exposed, its that swp students are definitely not trobots

Get back in your box. Obviously there are a greater mix of politics in the student end of trottery.

 

[belboid]

Warning! Warning!

"Jack Conrad begins a short series of articles"

the one on the programme? I started to read it at work. But actually found work preferable. Atrociously written and such fucking tediously predictable content.

 

[DrRingDing]

So, do you think the SWP will refrain from 'investigating' further allegations of rape?

 

[butchersapron]

the one on the programme? I started to read it at work. But actually found work preferable. Atrociously written and such fucking tediously predictable content.

Similar here, and these, I expect, are the more exciting cut down versions of his recent rambling unedited ones...

 

[Nigel Irritable]

It's typical of the new model semi-obsolete Weekly Worker. They don't have the access they used to have to gossip and/or internal information, and in any case, blogs, facebook and message boards get all the scoops first. Instead they fill in the space with their theoretical meanderings, and nobody reads the Weekly Worker for the views of the CPGB.

I mean this is the moment the CPGB have been geared towards for nearly twenty years and yet not only do they have zero influence on events, they have less access to leaks than Andy fucking Newman.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I bet it's been quite frothy in Weekly Worker towers in the last month or so

 

[mk12]

Andy Newman is Tommy Gunn to Weekly Worker's Rocky. An up and coming rising star in lefty gossip, Andy is increasingly making the WW seem irrelevant and past its sell by date. Will the WW hit back?

 

[belboid]

Similar here, and these, I expect, are the more exciting cut down versions of his recent rambling unedited ones...

it does read like an editted transcript of a talk. nobody has ever bothered listening to any of those podcasts, have they?

 

[butchersapron]

Excellent bit of pomposity from SEYMOUR! (note the libidinal line):

Enter Nick Grant, defending his leaders from the ravages of socialists who disagree with them. His role, and that of others of his ilk, as a bullhorn for CC insinuations is clear. The CC's traducing of its internal critics in Party Notes consists of nudges: no names are given, details are scant, hints are urgent but en passant. The CC wager that the faithful, whose investment in 'official' positions is unshakable, as libidinal as theoretical, eager for diktats to keep them safe from nuance, will parse these nuggets. Thus here. We respond to Grant not because he is an interesting figure in himself - he is not - but because he is a function, a meat-exemplar of the worst kind of loyalism. We argue not with Nick Grant, but with 'Nick Grant'.

The Grant letter is here - and it is an brilliant example of apolitical loyalism that would have been perfectly at home in the USSR 1928-38 period.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Excellent bit of pomposity from SEYMOUR! (note the libidinal line):



The Grant letter is here - and it is an brilliant example of apolitical loyalism that would have been perfectly at home in the USSR 1928-36 period.

Urgh, see what you mean. Ignore the issue, repeat fantastic achievements in leading glorious 'united front' work (anyone else sick of the misuse of this phrase?) ad nauseum.

 

[redsquirrel]

The success was put down to my 'ruling class visage'! Ah good times

 

[imposs1904]

it does read like an editted transcript of a talk. nobody has ever bothered listening to any of those podcasts, have they?