Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[Shippou-Sensei]

I'm powering through VOY S1. I love it. It's proper Trek. It's far better than TNG and DS9.

What I like it that it's a starship out on its own, discovering new civilisations and new life, like TOS. Not stuck in the same place, doing the same things, like DS9. And not surrounded by the safety net of the Federation like TNG. Pioneering.

I was such a fan of TOS that I didn't want to watch any spin offs in case they mucked up the recipe. VOY is what I was hoping for.

I can kinda see what you mean

TNG felt weird. Sometimes it tried to be exploring the unknown but most of the time it just seemed to be sailing well know waters.

DS9 was what it was.

VOY is the odyssey of the trek franchise. I just wish it wasn't held back by it's made for syndication TV model.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Inspired by the urban memes thread I made this

 

[kabbes]

I'm powering through VOY S1. I love it. It's proper Trek. It's far better than TNG and DS9.

What I like it that it's a starship out on its own, discovering new civilisations and new life, like TOS. Not stuck in the same place, doing the same things, like DS9. And not surrounded by the safety net of the Federation like TNG. Pioneering.

I was such a fan of TOS that I didn't want to watch any spin offs in case they mucked up the recipe. VOY is what I was hoping for.

Page 1 Danny:

Voyager was my favourite version of Star Trek. But then, I’m no obsessive. I struggle to remember that many storylines and I’ve hardly seen anything more than once.

 

[CNT36]

while the books are by and large god awful hackwork this is a nice quartet that covers all four treks:
Star Trek: Invasion!

That's a game. Here are the books- Invasion!. I remember getting the first one free with Star Trek Monthly.

Am a bit of a fan, but not going to go into the fine details, but I'll give a short summary.

Started with TOS but dislike most of the animated (seemed non-canon). Next Generation was largely OK, unlike a lot of people I found the later appearances of Q funny, espec the interactions with Troi senior. Some TNG plots seemed almost updates of TOS offerings.
I did find some of the Voyager characters unbelievable (yep, looking at Neelix) and the "darker" aspects of DS9 were irritating at times (and some seemed utterly pointless) didn't like the dominion war. Enterprise was a bit meh, got better with the xindi arc but I wish it hadn't done a war arc.
Films, mostly OK apart from the finding god one (that was truly dire).
However, I've not really bothered with the "re-boot" material, maybe sometime.

Oh, I've quite enjoyed some aspects of the parody aspect in Galaxy Quest (wonder if I'll like orville ?)

You've revealed something of yourself there. The Q - Lawaxana interactions only happened in a novel although the actors did act out an abridged version on audio. How I know this is not to be discussed.

15 mins into DS9 S2:E7 "The Rules of Acquision". It's absolutely terrible. It's a Ferengi-heavy load of tripe. Even the Gamma Quadrant aliens are garbage in look and realisation. Jim Henson would have scrapped it. I can't face watching the whole thing, so I'm skipping it. This is even worse than Spock's Brain.

I haven't skipped any Trek so far. (And I watched the whole of TOS S3).

I hope you didn't miss the first mentions of the Dominion.

In tos McCoy offers Kirk a drink on the basis people tell their barman more than they do their doctor. An echo of that.

It's actually Boyce who says this to Pike in The Cage.

Just watched DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations" where they time travel to the TOS Enterprise during the Tribble episode! It's fab!!!

They took part in the bar brawl scene, and the scene where Kirk asks "who threw the first punch?" Most of the scene splicing works really well. (The only bit that doesn't is when Sisko gets to meet Kirk on the bridge. But I'm going to let that pass).

It is also the only bit not spliced into the Trouble with Tribbles. He is edited into a scene from Mirror, Mirror. It is from the scene where Kirk first meets the prime universes version of the character he later discovers is his mirror universe duplicates lover. If you watch the original it explains the creepy way the bridge crew are watching the interaction.

I've finished DS9. I liked it fine, but it wasn't my favourite Trek. Maybe I'd have liked it better if I'd seen it as it aired at the time. But I think a lot of it doesn't stand up well to the passage of time, and it doesn't live up to the hype from fans. And overall, it just isn't Trek-like enough for me.

I've watched the opening double bill of Voyager. I have to say that I already like it better than DS9. I like the set up, I like the concept, I liked the Caretaker entity (much more TOS than anything in DS9), and I even liked Neelix (which people on this thread had told me I wouldn't).

I'm encouraged that this may be more to my taste. Let's see.

Neelic gets worse and increasingly irrelevant.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

That's a game. Here are the books- Invasion!. I remember getting the first one free with Star Trek Monthly.

I think I got that one free too.

I'm 90% sure I also read one of the others and may even have got an omnibus edition.


I seem to remember liking the TOS one the most.

 

[Dandred]

Recently got netfilx and so far on s4 ep10 of the next generation. I have two months of holidays so have loads of time.

 

[Balbi]

Mirror Universe Kira

 

[danny la rouge]

Voyager has finally offered up some stinkers.

In an attempt to make Paris interesting, they decided to restage David Cronenberg's the Fly, lost their nerve, turned Paris and Janeway into giant salamanders, made them have babies together, then abandon the babies on a deserted M class planet never to be spoken of again. Callous, perhaps. But best to forget the whole thing.

Then there was Tuvok being posessed by the psychopathic tendencies of a murderous Betazoid after a Mind Meld accident.

And of course, the return of Rentaghost. (I suppose one thing ENT will have going for it is that it won't have Timothy bleeding Claypole).

In addition, they seem to have given up on writing anything for Kes.

I'm hoping we're over the stinkers now.

 

[emanymton]

I'm powering through VOY S1. I love it. It's proper Trek. It's far better than TNG and DS9.

What I like it that it's a starship out on its own, discovering new civilisations and new life, like TOS. Not stuck in the same place, doing the same things, like DS9. And not surrounded by the safety net of the Federation like TNG. Pioneering.

I was such a fan of TOS that I didn't want to watch any spin offs in case they mucked up the recipe. VOY is what I was hoping for.

I agree with this, I think my problem with it was that I just didn't really like any of the characters.

 

[danny la rouge]

I agree with this, I think my problem with it was that I just didn't really like any of the characters.

I liked Chacotay straight away. He makes me question my sexuality. Paris doesn't live up to his initial billing, though. He's boring. And I'm not sure why Kes is just being left to pass things to the holograph Doctor. They could have done much more with her.

Janeway's style didn't win me over straight away, but I soon got to understand her.

 

[emanymton]

I liked Chacotay straight away. He makes me question my sexuality. Paris doesn't live up to his initial billing, though. He's boring. And I'm not sure why Kes is just being left to pass things to the holograph Doctor. They could have done much more with her.

Janeway's style didn't win me over straight away, but I soon got to understand her.

It's shallow but I don't like Jaynway's voice.
Chacotay, the doctor and latter on Seven are ok. The rest are at best bland at worst actively irritating.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's shallow but I don't like Jaynway's voice.

I know what you mean, but it reminds me of Katherine Hepburn, who was great.

 

[Poi E]

Yes, exactly! I really liked the doc, too.

 

[danny la rouge]

One more niggle: Harry often seems actively bored. (Except in the episode where he got caught in a time anomaly).

 

[emanymton]

I know what you mean, but it reminds me of Katherine Hepburn, who was great.

Yeah but I'm not that old.

 

[DotCommunist]

props to holodoc and b'ellana but they don't often get 'them' centric episodes do they. Appearances in medbay or engineering, almost never away mish.

 

[emanymton]

props to holodoc and b'ellana but they don't often get 'them' centric episodes do they. Appearances in medbay or engineering, almost never away mish.

B'ellana is too whiney about being half-klingon.

 

[CNT36]

I think I got that one free too.

I'm 90% sure I also read one of the others and may even have got an omnibus edition.


I seem to remember liking the TOS one the most.

It probably was. The next generation and voyager ones continue the story even sharing a character while the Deep Space Nine one tells the story of the enemies enemy and how they ended up banished to the delta quadrant.

 

[Santino]

In my memory the Voyager arc gets worse, but there are some good non-arc stories.

 

[cybershot]

Big news:

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Anyone else watch SF Debris?


good scifi reviewer with the best voice inside Janeway's head

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Big news:

Discovery season 3 episode?

 

[cybershot]

Discovery season 3 episode?

Unlikely. It’s to be set 20 years after TNG. CBS announced a while back upto 5 other series were being talked about. A Picard series was one of them. One assumes it will be based on life after the federation.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I was thinking a trials and tribbleations (or flashback) style thing

maybe even a these are the voyages style thing
These Are the Voyages... (episode)

a full picard series seems a big jump

 

[cybershot]

It would still be nice to see something new new. Not constantly re visiting the past and former characters. It will be nice to finally jump 20 years after TNG. maybe see a sexy looking enterprise F at some point. Which might at least then finally pave the way for a brand new series set further on. Getting a bit bored of all these TOS reboot/ before Kirk stories.

Let’s kick on in the 24th century.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Discovery style stuff seems nice

grab a period of time and just follow a ship/crew for a season or five year mission.

 

[agricola]

It would still be nice to see something new new. Not constantly re visiting the past and former characters. It will be nice to finally jump 20 years after TNG. maybe see a sexy looking enterprise F at some point. Which might at least then finally pave the way for a brand new series set further on. Getting a bit bored of all these TOS reboot/ before Kirk stories.

Let’s kick on in the 24th century.

I honestly hope not; if anything I'd love a series where Picard has to come to terms with everything his life has done to him whilst also trying to get to grips with retirement and an entirely oblivious French countryside. That episode ("Family") that was basically just about him, his brother and his brother being the only person he could open up to was fantastic, probably my favourite Picard episode of them all.

 

[krtek a houby]

It would still be nice to see something new new. Not constantly re visiting the past and former characters. It will be nice to finally jump 20 years after TNG. maybe see a sexy looking enterprise F at some point. Which might at least then finally pave the way for a brand new series set further on. Getting a bit bored of all these TOS reboot/ before Kirk stories.

Let’s kick on in the 24th century.

Yeah, as much as I enjoy the shows, the era is still a bit narrow. Go forwards, not backwards.

 

[cybershot]

I honestly hope not; if anything I'd love a series where Picard has to come to terms with everything his life has done to him whilst also trying to get to grips with retirement and an entirely oblivious French countryside. That episode ("Family") that was basically just about him, his brother and his brother being the only person he could open up to was fantastic, probably my favourite Picard episode of them all.

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m very excited about this. I just want to move forward. There was so much to explore with the demise of Romulus event which caused Spock prime to go into whatever they call the reboot dimension.

I hope they touch on this in the new series, as in the countdown graphic novel. Which is considered canon I believe to set up the new reboot films Picard was admiral and data was captain of the enterprise.

There’s so much to still explore from that event and 20 years after it might be the right place to pick up. Although I don’t expect it to be the main story arc for the Picard series. More as you say. His retirement. Generations touched upon his regrets. Such as no children.

 

[danny la rouge]

I've been watching the TNG films for the first time. Generations was a bit slow and felt more like an overblown episode than a film, and a weird mix of big budget and low budget (maybe they ran out of money) but there were good bits. Data singing about tiny humans, Kirk being all Kirky, and so on.

Last night I watched First Contact. It had a strange feel too. It was much better paced though.

However, I did feel they'd fucked around with canon. Cochrane was not at all like the Cochrane we met in TOS. (He's in the episode with The Companion, and we meet him there much later in life, though restored to the age he was when he invented warp). He seemed different in age, looks, character. The era he comes from seems completely different. When we first meet him he's an all American-type, a clean-cut Federation pilot, and he's extended space flight, which we get the impression is already a daily fact of life. In Generations he's a drunk, hillbilly cyber-punk from a post-Apocalypse, who has rediscovered space flight. His warp flight appears to be his first off-world trip. And he's a much older man than we're told to expect by TOS.

The addition of a Queen to the Borg collective irritated me a bit. I could see the bee analogy worked, but she seemed to have more personality than made sense.

And though I'm glad we finally get to see Jordi's facial expressions, a mention of why might be good. He'd always rejected prosthesis before.

It was enjoyable, but not as good as the best of the TOS films.