Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[Shippou-Sensei]

 

[cybershot]

Will data be back mind the lore did get a little daft about how he come back

down loading his mind into beta4 and his emotions chip causing his memory's to take over

He already did come back, although it’s still unclear if this story is canon. Some say yes, some say no....

Star Trek: Countdown

 

[cheesethief]

The Borg Queen was a useful narrative device to let you know what the Borg were thinking. She was just an expression of the collective will, not an individual.

I disagree, the original premise of the Borg was of an emotionless, dispassionate swarm of cyborgs whose only real purpose was the perpetuation & expansion of their kind. An endless quest for unattainable perfection through assimilation. Just as if a computer program had been given a naively simplistic instruction to follow, but backed up with immense processing power & technological prowess. The Borg Queen expressed emotion, irritation, anger, desire, all sorts of very human traits, which in my opinion made her seem very down to earth, very "normal", and nothing like as scary as the Borg without a Queen. An enemy that you can't reason with, can't bargain with, can't plead for mercy with, can't even interact with in any conventional sense is vastly more alien and more terrifying than one you can.

 

[mwgdrwg]

I disagree, the original premise of the Borg was of an emotionless, dispassionate swarm of cyborgs whose only real purpose was the perpetuation & expansion of their kind. An endless quest for unattainable perfection through assimilation. Just as if a computer program had been given a naively simplistic instruction to follow, but backed up with immense processing power & technological prowess. The Borg Queen expressed emotion, irritation, anger, desire, all sorts of very human traits, which in my opinion made her seem very down to earth, very "normal", and nothing like as scary as the Borg without a Queen. An enemy that you can't reason with, can't bargain with, can't plead for mercy with, can't even interact with in any conventional sense is vastly more alien and more terrifying than one you can.

Cybermen rip-off.

 

[danny la rouge]

I disagree, the original premise of the Borg was of an emotionless, dispassionate swarm of cyborgs whose only real purpose was the perpetuation & expansion of their kind. An endless quest for unattainable perfection through assimilation. Just as if a computer program had been given a naively simplistic instruction to follow, but backed up with immense processing power & technological prowess. The Borg Queen expressed emotion, irritation, anger, desire, all sorts of very human traits, which in my opinion made her seem very down to earth, very "normal", and nothing like as scary as the Borg without a Queen. An enemy that you can't reason with, can't bargain with, can't plead for mercy with, can't even interact with in any conventional sense is vastly more alien and more terrifying than one you can.

Precisely. Her existence took the sting out of the Borg.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I disagree, the original premise of the Borg was of an emotionless, dispassionate swarm of cyborgs whose only real purpose was the perpetuation & expansion of their kind. An endless quest for unattainable perfection through assimilation. Just as if a computer program had been given a naively simplistic instruction to follow, but backed up with immense processing power & technological prowess. The Borg Queen expressed emotion, irritation, anger, desire, all sorts of very human traits, which in my opinion made her seem very down to earth, very "normal", and nothing like as scary as the Borg without a Queen. An enemy that you can't reason with, can't bargain with, can't plead for mercy with, can't even interact with in any conventional sense is vastly more alien and more terrifying than one you can.

Also the queen was pretty blatantly put in to allow for a bad guy monologue and climactic boss battle, neither of which are tropes good star trek stories resort to.

 

[danny la rouge]

Also the queen was pretty blatantly put in to allow for a bad guy monologue and climactic boss battle, neither of which are tropes good star trek stories resort to.

Although "to be sexy" is something Star Trek does resort to.

 

[cheesethief]

Also the queen was pretty blatantly put in to allow for a bad guy monologue and climactic boss battle, neither of which are tropes good star trek stories resort to.

Yep, I guess to make it cinematically appealing to a large audience they had to revert to the hackneyed head baddy versus head goody. Can't really have a dramatic final showdown without a singular focus of evil to be defeated just in the nick of time...

 

[DotCommunist]

Although "to be sexy" is something Star Trek does resort to.

Borg queen was PG domme tho, which i for one can't recall being seen again except for mirror universe kira.

 

[Ax^]

seven of nine chest for the later season on Voyager

 

[Reno]

I really tried with Discovery and almost made it to the end, but the last two episodes defeated me. I fell asleep every time I tried to watch the penultimate episode. Eventually I had to admit to myself that I wanted to like it more than I actually liked it. It's not that it was bad, I just think Star Trek isn't for me anymore. There are better shows out there.

 

[scifisam]

Yep, I guess to make it cinematically appealing to a large audience they had to revert to the hackneyed head baddy versus head goody. Can't really have a dramatic final showdown without a singular focus of evil to be defeated just in the nick of time...

Firefly had a good way round that - the Reavers were not possible to reason with our persuade in any way, and genuinely a bit horrifying, but there was also a human foe for the final showdown.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Firefly had a good way round that - the Reavers were not possible to reason with our persuade in any way, and genuinely a bit horrifying, but there was also a human foe for the final showdown.

Watched Serenity again recently, it's still great. Miraculously good really, considering the shoestring budget and the unique constraint of trying to wrap up a cult TV show and make a great standalone movie at the same time.

 

[emanymton]

I disagree, the original premise of the Borg was of an emotionless, dispassionate swarm of cyborgs whose only real purpose was the perpetuation & expansion of their kind. An endless quest for unattainable perfection through assimilation. Just as if a computer program had been given a naively simplistic instruction to follow, but backed up with immense processing power & technological prowess. The Borg Queen expressed emotion, irritation, anger, desire, all sorts of very human traits, which in my opinion made her seem very down to earth, very "normal", and nothing like as scary as the Borg without a Queen. An enemy that you can't reason with, can't bargain with, can't plead for mercy with, can't even interact with in any conventional sense is vastly more alien and more terrifying than one you can.

It started with the locutus of borg thing. IMO
What exactly was meant to be the point of that?

 

[danny la rouge]

It started with the locutus of borg thing. IMO
What exactly was meant to be the point of that?

"To communicate with humans". I never understood why humans were any different from any other species they assimilated.

 

[emanymton]

"To communicate with humans". I never understood why humans were any different from any other species they assimilated.

Exactly it doesn't make any sense. They just thought it would make a better story.

 

[CNT36]

I really tried with Discovery and almost made it to the end, but the last two episodes defeated me. I fell asleep every time I tried to watch the penultimate episode.

You've done well. Three times maybe four i've tried to make it through the pilot.

 

[cheesethief]

It started with the locutus of borg thing. IMO
What exactly was meant to be the point of that?

Indeed, made for a good episode but kinda ruined the core premise of the Borg.

 

[cheesethief]

"To communicate with humans". I never understood why humans were any different from any other species they assimilated.

Because if humans were no different the Borg would've steam-rolled over us just as effectively as every other species and the TNG series would've come to an abrupt end...?

 

[Dandred]

Series 7 of teh Next Generation is fucking gash, really disappointed. Still, Patric is acting like he really believes every scene!

 

[Santino]

Still, Patric is acting like he really believes every scene!

That's a little thing we like to call professionalism!

 

[cybershot]

I’m revisiting season 7 of deep space nine. A big portion of the middle section of the season is really just filler. Vic Fontaine even in the mirror universe.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's shallow but I don't like Jaynway's voice.
Chacotay, the doctor and latter on Seven are ok. The rest are at best bland at worst actively irritating.

Seven is in it now. She was needed. The interaction between characters was getting stale. She's brought a fresh perspective. It's good to have an alien demeanour to get used to (even though she's human); the species we visit are all too human in their interactions and world views. We know about Vulcans now, so it's good to add a new outlook. The fact that she's blunt, doesn't understand social conventions, and that people find her unsettling are all good for the mix. It's brought life back into the show. She's my favourite character now. Second favourite is the Doctor. Similar reasons.

(Not sure exactly why she needs such a tight uniform, though. Surely a standard uniform would have covered her Borg implants just fine? The Doctor said he designed it. It may seem churlish to complain, but I can't see any actual narrative reason for it).

 

[Reno]

In less woke times they always stuffed the designated Star Trek babe/s into a spandex suit or (earlier) a mini dress with no rationale given. The only exception back then was Deep Space Nine, which granted Dax the dignity of a uniform.

 

[danny la rouge]

When I said "I'm not sure why she needs such a tight uniform", I actually knew very well. What I should have said was "the 90s don't seem that long ago, and yet sometimes they do".

 

[kabbes]

To be fair, I remember it being somewhat remarked upon at the time too.

 

[Reno]

I remember it being brought up with Troi. Tight spandex must have been the Betazoid traditional costume.

 

[Santino]

I seem to recall reading that Jeri Ryan actually wore padding to accentuate her figure.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I seem to recall reading that Jeri Ryan actually wore padding to accentuate her figure.

Yeah well nobody really looks like that do they?

 

[mwgdrwg]

Yeah well nobody really looks like that do they?

Just had to do a Google image search to refute these claims.