Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[DotCommunist]

I had strong feelings about the borg queen back then.

 

[danny la rouge]

Maybe the complete re-write on Earth and Federation history has an explanation. Maybe the timeline was more infected by the Borg than the Enterprise crew realised.

 

[cybershot]

Most of the TNG films are disappointing. First contact is by far the best but doesn’t stand up to constant re-watches. Unlike 2,3,4 & 6 which I can watch over and over. Which is a bizarre twist because I don’t really get in with TOS. I’ve found it impossible to get through the whole series. Still don’t think I’ve seen every episode of TOS. Where as TNG I’ve seen every episode at least 3 times. The good ones even more.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm excited about the invention of warp drive on April 5, 2063, because it's just about achievable for me to see it. I'll be 97.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I'm excited about the invention of warp drive on April 5, 2063, because it's just about achievable for me to see it. I'll be 97.

I'll be coming up fast on 92. Odd, I thought you were older than that. Not Sass old but maybe late fifties

 

[danny la rouge]

I'll be coming up fast on 92. Odd, I thought you were older than that. Not Sass old but maybe late fifties

You read the thread about me owning a Honda, didn't you. No, I was born in 65.

 

[Toast Rider]

So a Picard standalone show?

Will he be living with his elderly retired Starfleet dad along with his brother (oh no wait, he burned to death) and an attractive English housekeeper?

Will he be hosting a radio show helping Dominion War vets with PTSD?

Perhaps he'll find two other old codgers, one on spacemans comp and another who sounds remarkably like the voice actor of a popular kids movie series, and have adventures in the most languid pastoral regions of space where they sail around in old starships.

 

[cheesethief]

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The addition of a Queen to the Borg collective irritated me a bit. I could see the bee analogy worked, but she seemed to have more personality than made sense.

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Loved First Contact, but the Queen kind of ruined the Borg for me. What made them so genuinely scary in the early days was the notion of an emotionless, relentless force, something that truly could never be reasoned with, bargained with, threatened, something that could never challenged on any psychological level, yet was hugely powerful & intelligent. And crucially something with no centre, no hierarchy, no authority figure that could be singled out. As soon as you introduce a queen you ruin all that, you humanise the thing, you introduce weakness, fallibility, emotion... "We are the Borg" loses its impact. Now it's just another ship of baddies with a captain.

 

[DotCommunist]

A hive must have a queen. Still, I get you though. Feels less implacable and alien. IIRC Ian M Banks termed such things 'aggressive hegemonizing swarms'

I just read Jean Luc's statements about coming back to star trek and he is such an ACT-orly person. You'd have thought he was genuinely about to take the helm of a human starship rather than being brought back so CBS All Access can monetize the one good IP they have in order to sell a shit streaming service to pissed of yanks. ROTW gets it on netflix lol

 

[Crispy]

Current theory is that this is the long-rumoured "starfleet academy" show. So Picard would be retired from active duty and instead be tutoring the next generation (lol) of officers.

 

[DotCommunist]

so they're going to make a series out of that episode where picard was trapped in the turbolift with the younglings

 

[krtek a houby]

Loved First Contact, but the Queen kind of ruined the Borg for me. What made them so genuinely scary in the early days was the notion of an emotionless, relentless force, something that truly could never be reasoned with, bargained with, threatened, something that could never challenged on any psychological level, yet was hugely powerful & intelligent. And crucially something with no centre, no hierarchy, no authority figure that could be singled out. As soon as you introduce a queen you ruin all that, you humanise the thing, you introduce weakness, fallibility, emotion... "We are the Borg" loses its impact. Now it's just another ship of baddies with a captain.

Maybe but Locutus was introduced in only the second Borg story, so he kind of stood out from the collective...

 

[krtek a houby]

Current theory is that this is the long-rumoured "starfleet academy" show. So Picard would be retired from active duty and instead be tutoring the next generation (lol) of officers.

That's a theory, I'd rather see him a traumatised angry old man who's not yet wrestled with all his demons.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Current theory is that this is the long-rumoured "starfleet academy" show. So Picard would be retired from active duty and instead be tutoring the next generation (lol) of officers.

I doubt it. From what I read they are making a starfleet show seperately.

 

[cheesethief]

Maybe but Locutus was introduced in only the second Borg story, so he kind of stood out from the collective...

I take your point, but I always felt that Locutus was created because the Borg had no central figure and were a truly distributed entity, so their collective mind reasoned that it was a logical way of interacting with humans. And I also got the distinct impression that the back story of First Contact, wherein the Queen was there all long with Locutus, was decidedly revisionist. I suppose it's just my personal gripe really, I just thought that the original presentation of this unstoppable force, marching relentlessly with the efficiency & utter dispassion of a viral plague but with the cold, calculating intellect of a supercomputer, was novel and genuinely scary. Once there are individual characters, with echoes of humanity, it kinda loses the edge, becomes a bit more humdrum.

 

[Toast Rider]

Jean Luc Picard - One Foot In the Grave

"I don't believe it's warp 9!"

 

[Toast Rider]

Current theory is that this is the long-rumoured "starfleet academy" show. So Picard would be retired from active duty and instead be tutoring the next generation (lol) of officers.

Fuck yeah! Space Grange Hill!

"I only want to teach you Kohlinar Ro Land!"

 

[cybershot]

The Borg became pointless in voyager. One lone starship. Travelling through Borg space. Easy.

Probably be members of the federation in this new series.

 

[Santino]

The Borg Queen was a useful narrative device to let you know what the Borg were thinking. She was just an expression of the collective will, not an individual.

 

[Toast Rider]

The Borg Queen was a useful narrative device to let you know what the Borg were thinking. She was just an expression of the collective will, not an individual.

Well no, it was established that she was the source of that will.

 

[DotCommunist]

so they're going to make a series out of that episode where picard was trapped in the turbolift with the younglings

had to re watch

other highlights include worf delivering kiekos baby and Ensign Ro urging Troi to separate the ship and doom everyone in the engine half.

 

[Toast Rider]

Disaster. Is that like when they sail their spaceship full of schoolchildren into Borg space or the middle of a Klingon blood feud? Someone should tell Offsted

 

[scifisam]

Voyager has finally offered up some stinkers.

In an attempt to make Paris interesting, they decided to restage David Cronenberg's the Fly, lost their nerve, turned Paris and Janeway into giant salamanders, made them have babies together, then abandon the babies on a deserted M class planet never to be spoken of again. Callous, perhaps. But best to forget the whole thing.

That's a hilariously bad episode. You keep thinking oh no, they can't really be planning to do that... oh yes they are. It can't get worse, can it? Ohhh.

Everyone involved in it now hates it and it's often removed from rerun schedules

 

[Balbi]

Current theory is that this is the long-rumoured "starfleet academy" show. So Picard would be retired from active duty and instead be tutoring the next generation (lol) of officers.

Michael Dorn as the P.E teacher

 

[Ax^]

Will data be back mind the lore did get a little daft about how he come back

down loading his mind into beta4 and his emotions chip causing his memory's to take over

 

[DotCommunist]

Will data be back mind the lore did get a little daft about how he come back

down loading his mind into beta4 and his emotions chip causing his memory's to take over

Datalore

 

[danny la rouge]

In yet another take on the Fly, they merged Neelix and Tuvok and a couple of orchids into one person. The technobabble didn't make any sense, but the decision Janeway has to make is quite affecting.

Not sure what happened with the orchids at the end. They didn't emerge when the distinct Neelix and Tuvok did.

 

[Santino]

Janeway murdered Tulix. No debate. Don't @ me.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

In yet another take on the Fly, they merged Neelix and Tuvok and a couple of orchids into one person. The technobabble didn't make any sense, but the decision Janeway has to make is quite affecting.

Not sure what happened with the orchids at the end. They didn't emerge when the distinct Neelix and Tuvok did.

So... was my previous comment a spoiler and do you still want to hunt down my family?



on a side note I also think that while the setup is hackneyed bullshit the response is fascinating and the decision definitely adds character to Janeway

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Janeway murdered Tulix. No debate. Don't @ me.

Tuvix bitch have respect for the dead