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Universal translators can manage any nuance of tense, of meaning, of the chains of meaning that make a word what it is relative to the words behind and in front of it. Yet apparently they only have a soft AI rather than a weakly godlike one. Swizz.
Although when
Bashir gets together with the genetically altered mental health service users, they ask to hear the negotiating Varda in his original language in order to catch grammatical nuances that give away his intentions.
 
The decision on whether I'm actually going to bother with Voyager or not is looming.
Not to belabour the obvious, but is the answer not to watch the first few and see if you are enjoying the experience?
 
Not to belabour the obvious, but is the answer not to watch the first few and see if you are enjoying the experience?

No, early Voyager is terrible (tbf, first seasons of ST usually are), though the Vidians are truely nasty by Trek alien standards.

Watch a couple of the Voyager two-parters - they are generally good to great. I recommend the Basics, which pretty much wraps up early Voyager (though some may argue the following season finale does that).
 
Some plants have numbers in their names. Uninhabited non M class planets, fine: you're charting a new star system, you name the planets after the star and number them Starry McStarface I, Starry McStarface II, etc.

Similarly, a space-faring civilisation might move HQ to a new planet. Perhaps the home world is dying. So, yes. Numbers there is fine too.

But why would a pre warp civilisation name its own planet with a number? eg Rubicun III? It doesn't make sense.
 
I'm on the last season of DS9 now. Just met Ezri Dax. She seems a better actor than Jadzia. Although I had got used to Jadzia's character towards the end. Mind you they never gave Jadzia anything to do except stand in Ops and react to dialogue or play cards with Quark at the beginning of episodes. I'm hoping they use Ezri better.
 
I'm on the last season of DS9 now. Just met Ezri Dax. She seems a better actor than Jadzia. Although I had got used to Jadzia's character towards the end. Mind you they never gave Jadzia anything to do except stand in Ops and react to dialogue or play cards with Quark at the beginning of episodes.
And be creepily stalked by Bashir.
 
I'm up to S7: E14 of DS9. Season 7 isn't as good as S6. Which was itself patchy. There are good episodes here and there, but while I do like DS9, I don't think it's as good as TNG.

There are some good ideas and some good episodes, but it feels far more soap-like, and at times not very Trek like at all.

And then there are the episodes where it clearly thinks it's being dark, but just isn't as dark as it thinks, and it comes off very unconvincingly. I'm thinking of the one where Sisko and Garak plot to bring the Romulans into the war. I found myself quite bored, to be frank. It might have worked better with a better lead actor, but I doubt it. (Kirk would have been far, far better. He knew how to ignore directives, prime or otherwise, when he needed to and still stay infuriatingly sure of his moral rectitude). Or the one where Nog loses his leg defending a communications array. It's supposed to be a horrors-of-war study, but it's ground that is covered far better elsewhere and it suffers badly from any comparisons that are brought to mind.

I had hoped Ezri might be given some good stories, but the one with her family and the feckless artist brother (Ted from Mad Men) who turned out to be a killer! Oh my. That was excruciating. It was often like a 60s sit com. And then when someone commits murders on the station a couple of episodes later, she seems to have forgotten that she has a murderer in the family, saying "I can't believe anyone would commit murder [in this post scarcity utopia, being the implication]".

So, I'm saying I like it, but it's definitely going below TNG in the ranking. And this last season is nose diving rapidly.
 
I've finished DS9. I liked it fine, but it wasn't my favourite Trek. Maybe I'd have liked it better if I'd seen it as it aired at the time. But I think a lot of it doesn't stand up well to the passage of time, and it doesn't live up to the hype from fans. And overall, it just isn't Trek-like enough for me.

I've watched the opening double bill of Voyager. I have to say that I already like it better than DS9. I like the set up, I like the concept, I liked the Caretaker entity (much more TOS than anything in DS9), and I even liked Neelix (which people on this thread had told me I wouldn't).

I'm encouraged that this may be more to my taste. Let's see.
 
I'm also glad to have a Vulcan main character back. That was sorely missing from TNG and DS9. For me the Federation is about the relations between Earth and Vulcan. That's been largely missing since TOS.
 
I've finished DS9. I liked it fine, but it wasn't my favourite Trek. Maybe I'd have liked it better if I'd seen it as it aired at the time. But I think a lot of it doesn't stand up well to the passage of time, and it doesn't live up to the hype from fans. And overall, it just isn't Trek-like enough for me.

I've watched the opening double bill of Voyager. I have to say that I already like it better than DS9. I like the set up, I like the concept, I liked the Caretaker entity (much more TOS than anything in DS9), and I even liked Neelix (which people on this thread had told me I wouldn't).

I'm encouraged that this may be more to my taste. Let's see.

Clearly this is the mirror universe danny posting :eek:
 
TOS can get away with mirror universes as it has a higher percentage of melodrama.

DS9 can make an evil mirror universe dull.

plus it didn't have enough beards.
 
Will you watch strar trek enterprise danny la rouge , when you finish voyager? I never did see much of that, the evil mirror two parter and random Ep's. The two parter that covers smooth/ridges. Its Rubbish
 
So. On another matter. Something troubling me. Universal translator. It's working all the time translating (and lip synching) everything you say.

So how do Klingons know you've said "Qapla!" to them in their own language rather than just "good luck"?

It's the same bit of software that means Jean-Luc can say "merde" without it being translated.
 
For me I only really am a big fan of TOS (TAS and movies included). TNG DS9 and VOY were all fine to watch first time around but I feel no need to watch them again. I tried ENT but it didn't feel worth my time. (First season anyhow I do know it got better but I'd given up by then)

I'm slowly making my way though DISCO. It's good but not as good as I'd hoped.
 
I'm powering through VOY S1. I love it. It's proper Trek. It's far better than TNG and DS9.

What I like it that it's a starship out on its own, discovering new civilisations and new life, like TOS. Not stuck in the same place, doing the same things, like DS9. And not surrounded by the safety net of the Federation like TNG. Pioneering.

I was such a fan of TOS that I didn't want to watch any spin offs in case they mucked up the recipe. VOY is what I was hoping for.
 
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