Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[emanymton]

I'm now just over half way through DS9 series 3. So, given that it's 7 seasons long, I'm just over half way through DS9. And so far it's very patchy. It has some of the worst episodes of Star Trek I've ever seen (Fascination, for example). And the very worst acting. (Sisko). I'm not getting the "it's the best series" vibe at all. And as for the reputation it has for doing "politics" well; the time travel to the Earth ghetto was overtly political, but while a fun romp, was hardly quality political insight. It was cringey at best.

Out of curiosity what did you think of duet?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I love how Troi is the ship's counsellor but everyone with an actual problem goes straight to Guinan instead.

 

[B.I.G]

As is usual on urban,I'm having the best of it

I started rewatching the next generation. I skipped season one and two but I have enjoyed a good 95 percent of the episodes. No one is annoying me like they used to

 

[danny la rouge]

Out of curiosity what did you think of duet?

I think I liked that one. I find Kira one of the most compelling characters. The actor has some quirks I don't like, but on the whole is very good at conveying nuance and complexity.

 

[danny la rouge]

I like Avery Brooks' acting. It's ridiculous but in an oddly compelling way. He has a way of delivering lines with maximum drama while still giving the impression he's trying with all his might to tone it down.

He also does that weird thing of random emphasis.

He did a particularly fascinating sudden outburst of fury in second episode of the past Earth riot double bill, when he yelled at the cop hostage. It was 0-75 in no seconds. Amazing. And his "acting while not the one talking at that moment" is bizarre. Watch those two episodes but just look at him. It's like a lesson in what not to do.

 

[emanymton]

I think I liked that one. I find Kira one of the most compelling characters. The actor has some quirks I don't like, but on the whole is very good at conveying nuance and complexity.

It's an episode that always stuck in my mind. I really like it, but at the same time it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable becauae of the degree of sympathy it makes me feel for a character whose backstory is basically 'feels guilty for working at a concentration camp, and not doing anything about it'. But I think the fact it makes me feel that way. is part of why I like it so much.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I love how Troi is the ship's counsellor but everyone with an actual problem goes straight to Guinan instead.

I'd have been round Troi's office all the time tbf.

"Deanna, I genuinely can't remember if it's cheese first or beans."

"Deanna, I'm doing a survey on what everyone's favourite...er...type of...penguin is. No, I haven't asked anybody else yet."

"Deanna, if I beat Worf in an arm wrestle, will you go out with me?"

etc

 

[danny la rouge]

It's an episode that always stuck in my mind. I really like it, but at the same time it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable becauae of the degree of sympathy it makes me feel for a character whose backstory is basically 'feels guilty for working at a concentration camp, and not doing anything about it'. But I think the fact it makes me feel that way. is part of why I like it so much.

Well yes, but it's the fact that he's decided (belatedly) to do something to try to change Kardashian society (something that involved him sacrificing his life) that wins Kira, and us, over.

 

[scifisam]

Well yes, but it's the fact that he's decided (belatedly) to do something to try to change Kardashian society (something that involved him sacrificing his life) that wins Kira, and us, over.

Cardassian Though Kardashian society probably could do with a change too.

 

[cybershot]

Unless they paid you to take Insurrection away, it was unwise.

(Actually, First Contact is Seely mediocre and worth watching if you like completing your Star Trek viewing. Nemesis I remember being bad too, but I plan to rewatch it in the near future to test my memory).

Amazing how shocking the FX all look too, by the way. Like a computer game of 15 years ago. There’s no proper shadowing — everything looks way too bright and uncluttered.

Most of the tng films bar first contact. Which still isn’t great are poor. Which is a shame. I love tng. I’m not huge on tos but the tos films are great. The big long story arc of 2,3 and 4 is lovely. 6 is brilliant too.

 

[danny la rouge]

Cardassian Though Kardashian society probably could do with a change too.

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(It's a good enough gag to have running throughout the thread).

 

[danny la rouge]

Cross-thread beef:

What are you having for breakfast?

 

[SpookyFrank]

He also does that weird thing of random emphasis.

It's like he's got a certain tune in his head and he follows that when speaking, regardless of the actual contents of the line. Like a slightly stoned bass clarinetist who forgot his sheet music but is determined to power through regardless.

 

[danny la rouge]

Like a slightly stoned bass clarinetist who forgot his sheet music but is determined to power through regardless.

I spat out some mashed potato.

 

[danny la rouge]

This has been bothering me since the Ferengi first appeared on TNG: the fringe of material most of them wear at the back of their heads is clearly to hide a latex join or some such. But in-Universe, is there an explanation for how these fringes are attached?

It's always bothered me, but since Quark doesn't wear one but Nog and Quark's brother do, the discrepancy kind of makes the issue shout at me more.

Hair would have been more sensible make-up wise, but given they went for a gravity-defying head-dress, in-Universe, how is it held up? There's no boney ridge at the back of Quark's bare head, for example. So what is it?

 

[cybershot]

Good tng ep on horror channel this morning.

Future Imperfect (episode)

 

[Pickman's model]

I love how Troi is the ship's counsellor but everyone with an actual problem goes straight to Guinan instead.

In tos McCoy offers Kirk a drink on the basis people tell their barman more than they do their doctor. An echo of that.

 

[Santino]

Good tng ep on horror channel this morning.

Future Imperfect (episode)

One of my favourites, that.

 

[danny la rouge]

So, last one I watched was Starship Down (DS9 S4:E6). In it Kira had to talk to Sisko to keep him awake (because he had "a concussion"). She confessed she was awkward talking to him about anything other than work because in her religion he is the Emissary [Because of that stuff about him finding the Celestial Temple (the wormhole)], so she can't talk to him like she talks to Dax. But Kira knows Dax was with Sisko when the wormhole was discovered. In fact I seem to remember it being Dax who told her.

So my question is this: why is Dax not a religious icon in the Bajoran religion too?

 

[kabbes]

I watched Nemesis. It’s not a good film, it’s not a bad film, it’s not really an anything film. It just... happens. One scene at a time. Without much in the way of momentum or purpose or point. And then a spaceship blows up.

So that’s all three Next Gen films watched in the space of a month or so. It wasn’t worth the effort, frankly. One alright one, one that was so awful it will bother me for years to come and one utter cypher.

 

[Santino]

I watched Nemesis. It’s not a good film, it’s not a bad film, it’s not really an anything film. It just... happens. One scene at a time. Without much in the way of momentum or purpose or point. And then a spaceship blows up.

So that’s all three Next Gen films watched in the space of a month or so. It wasn’t worth the effort, frankly. One alright one, one that was so awful it will bother me for years to come and one utter cypher.

There are.. FOUR... films!

 

[B.I.G]

So, last one I watched was Starship Down (DS9 S4:E6). In it Kira had to talk to Sisko to keep him awake (because he had "a concussion"). She confessed she was awkward talking to him about anything other than work because in her religion he is the Emissary [Because of that stuff about him finding the Celestial Temple (the wormhole)], so she can't talk to him like she talks to Dax. But Kira knows Dax was with Sisko when the wormhole was discovered. In fact I seem to remember it being Dax who told her.

So my question is this: why is Dax not a religious icon in the Bajoran religion too?

Its not about finding the wormhole. He is the Sisko.

 

[kabbes]

There are.. FOUR... films!

You mean Generations? I view that as in-betweeny, not Next Gen.

 

[cybershot]

You mean Generations? I view that as in-betweeny, not Next Gen.

It's more Next gen than it is anything else.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Started rewatching DS9 on a whim (was waiting on a podcast being published last Friday). Think it's three/four years since my last rewatch, and IIRC that wasn't complete. Have started at S4, though (The Way of the Warrior - my favourite episode of Trek). Might have to go back and cherry-pick the good episodes, S3 is mostly solid.

 

[strung out]

Watched an episode of Voyager last night where they find an ex-Borg community who have decided to leave the collective to form a worker's co-operative on a hippy commune planet.

 

[Graymalkin]

So, last one I watched was Starship Down (DS9 S4:E6). In it Kira had to talk to Sisko to keep him awake (because he had "a concussion"). She confessed she was awkward talking to him about anything other than work because in her religion he is the Emissary [Because of that stuff about him finding the Celestial Temple (the wormhole)], so she can't talk to him like she talks to Dax. But Kira knows Dax was with Sisko when the wormhole was discovered. In fact I seem to remember it being Dax who told her.

So my question is this: why is Dax not a religious icon in the Bajoran religion too?

If i recall Dax was not contacted by the prophets.

 

[danny la rouge]

If i recall Dax was not contacted by the prophets.

I'd need to rewatch the episode in question. But she did co-discover the Celestial Temple. And she was Sisko's pilot. So maybe she could have a lesser title. Pilot of the Emissary. Pessary for short.

 

[cybershot]

If someone wants to start a new thread for reboot film franchise or a dedicated Star Trek 4 thread, then feel free, but for the moment, I'm dumping this here:

‘Star Trek 4’: S.J. Clarkson Becomes the First Female Director in Franchise’s History (EXCLUSIVE)

 

[Idris2002]

I'd have been round Troi's office all the time tbf.

"Deanna, I genuinely can't remember if it's cheese first or beans."

"Deanna, I'm doing a survey on what everyone's favourite...er...type of...penguin is. No, I haven't asked anybody else yet."

"Deanna, if I beat Worf in an arm wrestle, will you go out with me?"

etc

I would have deleted her number from my phone communication device, and thanked Q that she worked in a different part of the building ship.