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Star Trek: Discovery
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TheHoodedClaw
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What an excellent episode. And now Discovery is on the run...yay!
cybershot
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It’s available in UK on Friday mornings. So I guess 3-4 days of spoiler tag usage. Although you’d think if people had sense you’d just avoid the thread until you’re up to speed.
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But I’m not entirely clear what’s going on with the timeline. Is this not only after Spock and Pike and pre-Kirk Enterprise answer the fake distress call from Vina’s illusionary crew, but also after Spock takes injured Pike back to Talos IV to live with Vina? If so, why was Pike in the captain’s seat of the Enterprise when we first met him on DISCO, and not Kirk? Or is it because Spock is not experiencing time in a linear way? Or is it because of the Red Angel’s meddling?
Still loved it. The TOS flashbacks (forwards?) were awesome.
Still loved it. The TOS flashbacks (forwards?) were awesome.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Was pike not only returned to Vina after his body was almost completely destroyed, he could not live a full life with only one blinking light
more interesting is if DISCO is trying to link up with the St:ENT or really the paramount start trek universe or the rebooted movies[/ SPOILER]
more interesting is if DISCO is trying to link up with the St:ENT or really the paramount start trek universe or the rebooted movies[/ SPOILER]
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danny la rouge
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Re the blinking light etc. Yes, he went to live the Talosian illusion with Vina. But Vina was talking as if that was in the past, and she said something to Pike about the Talosians not thinking they were compatible. Was she meaning post Cage but pre Menagerie?
Anyway, yes I’m wondering if there’s an ENT link-up, because a Temporal Cold War is by definition across Time.
Also: fun fact, Pike gets a mention on a monitor screen that Archer sees during the ENT run.
Anyway, yes I’m wondering if there’s an ENT link-up, because a Temporal Cold War is by definition across Time.
Also: fun fact, Pike gets a mention on a monitor screen that Archer sees during the ENT run.
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That last bit is what I’m wondering. Is that where we’re located? In the time after Pike’s first visit to Talos IV but before what we’d thought of as his final visit? (In light blinking wheelchair).
That would make sense. But there was a couple of things that made me wonder if the timeline had changed.
That would make sense. But there was a couple of things that made me wonder if the timeline had changed.
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I don't know what is going on 
But I DID shout "Melissa George!" at the telly, at least my 90s soap game is still strong.
But I DID shout "Melissa George!" at the telly, at least my 90s soap game is still strong.
agricola
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No, I think its after the events of "The Cage" but before Spock takes him back there (there is a considerable gap between the two).
cybershot
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I assume pike returns to the enterprise when this season is done. Which is a shame as I’m quite warming to the character and wouldn’t mind him sticking around around as captain.
Although as the series isn’t focused on the captain as such it probably easy enough to find another likeable run of the mill person until burnham eventually gets the role I guess.
Although as the series isn’t focused on the captain as such it probably easy enough to find another likeable run of the mill person until burnham eventually gets the role I guess.
danny la rouge
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That is what you’d think. But there’s just a feeling I got from some things Vina said that made me confused.
Also, if Pike has been back to Talos IV and been helped by the Talosians, why is he so résistent to Spock taking him there later abord Kirk’s Enterprise in the Menagerie episode? He is résistent to the point of going along with Spock’s court martial, which carries the death penalty!
I agree that this seems to be before Spock serves with Kirk. But we know he has seen time in a non linear way, and has changed the timeline on several occasions due to that. Eg, seeing young Michael’s death then preventing it.
I’m confused.
Also, if Pike has been back to Talos IV and been helped by the Talosians, why is he so résistent to Spock taking him there later abord Kirk’s Enterprise in the Menagerie episode? He is résistent to the point of going along with Spock’s court martial, which carries the death penalty!
I agree that this seems to be before Spock serves with Kirk. But we know he has seen time in a non linear way, and has changed the timeline on several occasions due to that. Eg, seeing young Michael’s death then preventing it.
I’m confused.
danny la rouge
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I had wondered if Pike’s able bodiedness at the helm of Discovery was a Talosian illusion. Although there was a line about the illusions not working that far out which would go against that.
But Kirk was convinced the Commodore Mendez was with him all the way from Star Base 11.
But Kirk was convinced the Commodore Mendez was with him all the way from Star Base 11.
agricola
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I don't know, though it was noticeable (given how much care they took with the lore in this episode) that one of the things they didn't say was that to travel to Talos IV was a death sentence, just that it was restricted space. If the events of this season are what cause that to be brought in, then that would be awesome.
If that is the case, then perhaps the events of this season need to be seen in a new light - how real is any of it (the red angel / the bursts) if we know they (the Talosians) can create illusions across vast distances and affect the minds of almost anyone? Is it relevant that the only person who they may not be able to effect (Airiam) is the only one who isn't going along with the rest of them? The continual Alice in Wonderland references, about up being down and whatnot, have to be about something and they may not be about Burnham or the nature of linear time.
If that is the case, then perhaps the events of this season need to be seen in a new light - how real is any of it (the red angel / the bursts) if we know they (the Talosians) can create illusions across vast distances and affect the minds of almost anyone? Is it relevant that the only person who they may not be able to effect (Airiam) is the only one who isn't going along with the rest of them? The continual Alice in Wonderland references, about up being down and whatnot, have to be about something and they may not be about Burnham or the nature of linear time.
danny la rouge
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The mycelial network and angry zombie doctor probably come into it too. Remember Stamets can step outside of a linear view of time .
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Initially, I thought the Red Angel might be Q or a Q, but I'm guessing it's Spock or Michael going back in time - maybe even going to save Vulcan and restore the timeline to Prime. The Talos stuff was awesome. The wife asked if I was ok after geeking out when they did the previously on Star Trek with all TOS The Cage stuff . I think this storyline is going to sow the seeds for TOS The Menagerie which takes places some, what, 10 or 12 years after Pike's first visit to Talos...
. I think this storyline is going to sow the seeds for TOS The Menagerie which takes places some, what, 10 or 12 years after Pike's first visit to Talos...Anyway, soz if all this has been discussed, have just finished the latest ep and quite happy with all that. And isn't Anson Mount great? Can't believe it's the same guy from the dreadful Inhumans series"
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You've ruined my life, you maukit walloper
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UT says “My, what a distressing notion you have put into my head, I fear it may impair my enjoyment of the series. I do wish you had not uttered it.
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I feel violated. I hope you don’t have p’nar syndrome
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