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I know people who went. It was a good turn out and as usual, peaceful and dignified. These firefighters queued up to donate blood at a Brussels hospital, too.

*meanwhile in Spanistan, A judge has given the Guardia Civil the go ahead to use force to retrieve 44 antiques from a museum in Lerida in order to return them to Spain. These religious relics, were bought and paid for by the Catalan government back in the 80's, but... well..with the 155, anything goes

*This week another judge revoked the catalan protocol protecting vulnerable people from having their electricity cut off so that the electric company can now do just that without obstacles like progressive protocols standing in the way. The same day, the electric company raised bills by 28%, just for tuesday, so no reason to panic. El Pais published an article, 9 ways to keep warm without switching on the heating, which has provoked a storm on Twitter.

El pais frontpage headline today: Separatism passes its hate for Spain in the streets of Brussels.
 
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The election campaign has started here for the 21st of december. The spanish government may still ban some of the parties from participating. The electoral board prohibited a peaceful protest in front of a town hall organized by grandparents who wear yellow (the colour for solidarity with the catalan political prisoners), they also banned a yellow fountain in Barcelona but allowed a neo nazi group to march on the CUP headquarters while they were having an assembly. There have been hundreds of violent assaults after every unionist march. At the CUP headquarters several hundred anti-fascists turned up to see off 30 scum giving fascist salutes.

Rajoy personally telephoned a "spanish" victim of catalan terror the other day after they were interviewed on the telecinco TV channel, claiming that their balcony had been attacked with fire for showing a spanish flag. It turns out that A. They are members of a nazi organization. B. They haven't reported this "attack" to the police. C. One of these "victims" is the man who was threatening pensioners on a mountain last week (I posted a video of it) and D. They have been setting fire to catalan flags in front of the mayor's house in their town and their son attacked a family putting up posters a few days ago.
 
What a mess.

I think independence parties are gonna win this and the much hyped Ciudadanos mega surge is going nowhere although they'll def do well. PP may do ok too. PSOE dead in the water.
 
An anecdotal piece of news this week. There was a fight in a bar in Lerida which resulted in the death of a hell's angel who is a known falangist fascist sympathiser. The lying spanish press latched onto the story gleefully claiming that the reason "he" was attacked was because he was wearing spanish flag braces. Killed for being spanish they say, which is just crass propaganda. It turns out that the guy arrested for his death is from the squatter movement and spent time in prison for leaving a policemen tetraplegic during an eviction in Barcelona in 2006. A documentary was made which alleged that he was framed at the time. So the spanish press are selling this story as a political attack by the left on a normal spanish guy. Photos of the victim blandishing a knife and posing with neo nazis have been supressed in internet but have gone viral on twitter. (see spoiler below)

It also turns out that the accused "Squatter" who has the stereotypical dreads and all the usual crusty decorations, is surprise surprise, a rich kid from the upper middle classes, whose father is/was an admiral in the Chilean navy and was on Pinochet's side during the murderous coup.

My guess is that it could have been a drugs related fight that has been manipulated by a press that is desperate for stories to demonize the left and indirectly the catalan independence process while stoking up the extreme right. Personally I refuse to believe that rich kids, from extreme right wing parents, who choose to "slum it" in the Squatter movement for a few years are even remotely progressive.
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Photos of the victim blandishing a knife and posing with neo nazis have been supressed in internet but have gone viral on twitter. (see spoiler below)
yeh. last i checked, twitter was part of the interweb so stuff that goes viral there can hardly be said to have been suppressed. have you anything to actually support this claim of suppression?
 
yeh. last i checked, twitter was part of the interweb so stuff that goes viral there can hardly be said to have been suppressed. have you anything to actually support this claim of suppression?

All incriminating photos were removed from his and his accomplices accounts. The only place you can see the truth (in pictures) about this victim is on Twitter and in catalan ones to boot. What is your fucking problem you stupid pedantic nonentity? Have you got anything interesting to add to this thread?

All you do is snipe, it's sooo boring...
 
All incriminating photos were removed from his and his accomplices accounts. The only place you can see the truth (in pictures) about this victim is on Twitter and in catalan ones to boot. What is your fucking problem you stupid pedantic nonentity? Have you got anything interesting to add to this thread?

All you do is snipe, it's sooo boring...
Yeh. So that's a no then. I'm not surprised you take such exception to very occasionally being asked to back up your claims
 
I believe that a survey that shows the CUP actually losing a seat must be totally wrong as that political tendency has, in my opinion and from what I have heard, achieved a status that until now they never had and have gained respect from the broader catalan melieu for stickng to their guns while other parties waver. They will settle for nothing less than a unilateral declaration of the republic combined with active social policies. People here feel under siege from Spain on all fronts, it's got so you can't even speak your mind without threat of arrest. I think in the current climate their vote can only go up. Ciutadans will also rise as many softer unionists don't see them for what they are, which is fascistic.
 
Two tweets. First the campaign to paint the town yellow as the colour of support for the political prisoners which has been prohibited from public buildings and squares by the electoral board, who on the other hand, allow fascist marches against independentista party HQ's. The second tweet photo is a fascist patrol who took down yellow ribbons in a neighbourhood of Barcelona. By its nature, the independentista movement still refuses to react to such activity. That's why the spanish press are desperate and have to resort to making shit up in order to attack the Catalans. It makes my blood boil to not see these fascists beaten to a pulp.



 
This one is funny. Town halls and public buildings have been prohibited by law from showing solidarity with the political prisoners, so a way round that is to hang up new posters which read "you know what I mean". They are going up everywhere.
 
Forgot to mention that the spanish army are doing manouvres in Catalonia during the election campaign.
This photo was taken down the road from me yesterday and shows the totally normal every day situation of having a soldier on a rooftop in the middle of town with a bazooka.

During the election campaign...

Spain is different

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Forgot to mention that the spanish army are doing manouvres in Catalonia during the election campaign.
This photo was taken down the road from me yesterday and shows the totally normal every day situation of having a soldier on a rooftop in the middle of town with a bazooka.

During the election campaign...

Spain is different

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Yes, they clearly don't spend as much money on toys as us.

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San Marino is perhaps a little bit less up to date, but could probably do more damage with these than that poxy Iberian firework could do.
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These chaps have their sights set on the popular seaside resort of Riccione in neighbouring Italy.
 
Albano Dante Fachin, the Podemos leader in Catalonia who was recently deposed by Pablo Iglesias, leader of the Spanish mother party in Madrid, has summed up what is at stake with the catalan elections this 21st december and why the non independentista left should vote "Independentista" and NOT what is left of Podemos/Comuns in Catalonia.

His points are the following: (More or less translated from his speech in the video below. I have only done the first 5 minutes, if anyone is interested I'll do the rest)

He has always been critical of aspects of the process in the catalan parliament and admits that the independence of Catalonia is not his objective, that's why he was in Podemos, to fight for a plurinational Spain that would leave behind the corruption of the PP, the King and the regime of 78.

So why vote Independence now in this election?

Because it is the biggest blow that can be levelled at Rajoy. On the 1st of october in Catalonia it was clearly shown that anyone, in Andalusia, in Madrid or in Galicia who opposed Rajoy or the Francoist imposed king would be "attacked/beaten up". If you are independentista the state will attack you but if you are republican or federalist they will use violence against you, too. In this context it is essential to give a clear response in order to defeat Rajoy and his use of violence. The most dignified result at this moment in time would be a victory in the election for "Independence". It's not about being independentista or non independentista, it's about being a democrat. On the 1st of october the international media showed our neighbours, young and old, Independentistas and people who are not, being brutally beaten for their desire to vote. Now those same international media will be watching the night of the election and it is vital that it is shown that the people have dignity and that no corrupt politician or imposed king can impose their will with batons.
I will vote independentista...because if they don't win the majority the big winner will be Rajoy and his corrupt party. Rajoy will come on TV and boast he has beaten the independentistas but be careful as they won't be the only defeated, it will include everyone who has defended the right to vote. He will have defeated all those who want real change like we demanded in the public squares on the 15M movement.
I am not surprised that the PP, PSOE and ciutadans support the regime of 78 but I am sad to see Podemos' position. I am surpirised that a formation that came to take on the regime of 78 has adopted such a terrible position. (they are sitting on the fence which only strengthens the right) I believe that every vote for Podemos/Comuns will be a vote that favours Rajoy, whether we like it or not those votes will be counted as votes against what the people did on the 1st of october. Podemos have said we have to "move on". How can the people who came from the 15M movement say that now? When we have just seen the largest act of democratic dignity in Spain in the last decades. There is something that worries me more, they say they fight for an agreed referendum, that would be magnificent but unfortunately any vote for Podemos/Comuns will weaken that possibility as their votes will counted as "against" and the repression will also intensify. Only the strength of the people can obtain an agreed referendum.

 
Do you realise you read like someone working for the extreme Right trying to discredit any belief in the extreme Left?

It is like Rajoy created you himself.
Yeh. I'm sure you remember how he tried to big up auld tim pool, supporting him way past the point it was absolutely clear yer man was dodgy as fuck. He has form.
 
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Do you realise you read like someone working for the extreme Right trying to discredit any belief in the extreme Left?

It is like Rajoy created you himself.
Not to mention I see all of this is posted as *Spanish* political news whereas if yer man was truly a decent catalan nationalist he'd have started a thread to reflect his views, that this was catalan political news.
 
More of the sort of stuff requested earlier:

Catalonia as a political laboratory: Santiago López Petit

“Catalonia”, the political laboratory, is closing momentarily. This is clear. When the democratic is the mark of what can be thought and what it is permitted to live: how difficult it is to change something! From a logic of State (and from the desire for a State), it will never be possible to change a society. Yet what has been lived, the audacity of transgressing together, the collective strength of a country that no one can represent and the joy of resisting … This is never forgotten. Dignity and coherence are not negotiable

Catalonia after the storm: Tomás Ibáñez

What is certain is that the principal arguments of this account are already shaping up and pointing to a mythification of certain events, greatly magnifying them. If it were only a matter disparities between different subjective evaluations of these events, the issue would not be worrying. Its relevance lies in when we deceive ourselves about how the path that we followed was, as a consequence of which we engender a series of blind spots that cloud our perception of how, and where to, continue moving forward.
 
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Winter in Catalonia

The clamor for national sovereignty requires a belief in a good state, not as a product of struggle, but as an outcome of elections. National sovereignty is the spontaneous political philosophy of the crisis of the middle class, the clamor of those who used to live comfortably, in the forgetting of the struggles that won the relatively comfort, as an always insufficient concession. Those who speak of national sovereignty might take it to mean popular sovereignty, but it mystifies the fact that if such sovereignty were to be possible at all, it would be based in autonomous class power. Even national sovereignty would only be possible on the base of mass support – in opinion and in organized practice – for a rupture with (or within) the EU and with international finance.

If all this is not on the agenda, it is not so much an affliction of consciousness, as a limitation of contemporary social reality in Europe. In this period of constant low-intensity crisis and decomposition the middle class, its expectations and attachments will continue to be reproduced under threat of declassing, in a state of anxiety. Indignation and the demand for good governance and government will persist, and so will the challenge of politicizing them differently than the forces of reaction. Autonomous counterpower cannot be built on middle class subjectivities, but it can only grow into mass organization through the transformation of the middle class. Some of the tools lay scattered in the dust of the battle of Catalunya: the “perverse governance” of the cities, and the transversal organizing of 2011

marx said:
Don Quixote long ago paid the penalty for wrongly imagining that knight errantry was compatible with all economical forms of society.
 
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Do you realise you read like someone working for the extreme Right trying to discredit any belief in the extreme Left?

It is like Rajoy created you himself.

No I don't because I'm not and there is nothing on this thread to support your surrealist claim. Back up your argument with proof. Which part reads as "someone working for the extreme right? What you say is stupid.

Which part is trying to discredit any belief in the extreme Left?
 
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Not to mention I see all of this is posted as *Spanish* political news whereas if yer man was truly a decent catalan nationalist he'd have started a thread to reflect his views, that this was catalan political news.

Because it is "Spanish political news". It is happening in Spain.

Do you have a political analysis or position on what is happening or do you only do the troll thing?
 
I don't know what Buthchers Apron is on, but it looks like a load of fucking academic waffle.
 
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