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Spammed by the Synergy Project

See Steve, let me come clean, by several measures I myself would count as a vulnerable, disenfranchised person. I'm looking now for something local that can support and motivate me, something worthwhile for me and doing some good locally.

How can Synergy help? How can you now get over the fact that you've alienated me, a potential client and/or volunteer? I am completely serious and saddened by all this bollocks.
 
Dubversion said:
steve - consider this, well not an olive branch as such, but perhaps an attempt at understanding.

i'm prepared to concede that i may have been overly vitriolic about Synergy, but instead of talking about who's right and who's wrong, let's try and look at impressions...

first off, there's the spurious Cooltan link. i know this wasn't your doing, but you have to admit that it was bound to get people's backs up. so - even though it wasn't synergy's fault, necessarily, you were already on the back foot so to speak..

then to be honest your initial posts did seem like they were calculated to irritate - from my point of view, it seemed on the one hand a little self-aggrandising, and at the same time - by laying into somebody who (rightly or wrongly, this is about impressions, remember) is well thought of by a lot of people on these boards and in brixton generally.

by this point - and again, i'm not actually making a judgement either way - you've lost a lot of sympathy. but i just felt that rather than accepting that Synergy had got off on the wrong track and trying to make amends, you became (IMO) highly critical of the boards and the people involved. again, surely not the best way of garnering interest, and certainly not support.

then to spam the very people who (rightly or wrongly) are feeling some degree of antipathy towards Synergy for the aforementioned reasons? utter folly, surely, and BOUND to irritate.

so all i'm saying is if you think synergy has been given a rough ride, rather than attacking these boards you could pause for thought and wonder why this has happened?


to be honest, i'm prepared to lay my cards on the table and say i don't like what The Synergy Project is. but that actually doesn't matter - it's just my opinion. and even if things hadn't got off to a bad start, i'd have STILL taken the piss a bit - that's what i do, and talk of chakras and the like just pushes all my sarcasm buttons. i have a problem with a lot of synergy projects ideas, and if this had all started differently i might have been happy to argue the toss.

but it didn't happen that way. i'm not quite going to apologise for being a little aggressive - if you try and stand in my shoes, perhaps you can see why i ended up feeling the way i did. i just think that by taking people's irritation at getting spammed as an excuse to start mudslinging about some mythical cultural vanguard and who does most work in the community or whatever is just going to really fuck people off. can't you see that?

so - the synergy project. everything i hate, but then i hate the beatles and people think that makes me weird too. but for most of us, our sole contact with the synergy project has been you, and for various reasons that hasn't gone very well, has it?


did you even read this? which was a thoughtful and considered attempt at explaining mine (and possibly 'our' to some extent) reactions, why they happened, what could be done, where we might be at fault?

no, you just went back into paranoid abusive mode.

so, frankly, fuck you. if you're the face of a community project, no wonder the notion of community in this country is in such a bad way. you arrogant, blind prick
 
steve indigenou said:
Cooltan as a Synergy front organisation - another great joke !

So, have you checked their web-site then ?

"Company limited by guarantee registered in England and Wales reg. 3244552"

True I did ask whether the current Cooltan organisation had any connection with Synergy -- that was an honest mistake on my part, based on confusion, and Mike quickly put me right, I then replaced that first question with an entirely different one, the replacement question was of no relevance to Synergy.

But it's rapidly becoming clear that you're too arrogant to take any notice of the positive and constructive advice offered you in this thread -- Dub's earlier post was well worth engaging with constructively if you'd wanted to, and the same is true of Mike's posts.

But you don't care in the slightest, do you, about how much unpopularity you bring down on yourself with your over-confrontational attitude? Which as others have said is a bit of shame because there are those around here (even sceptical non-New Agers like me) who might have wished you and your project a fair wind had you not set about pissing everyone off ... even now I can see that some of Synergy's ideals/aims seem wortwhile. The real issue here is the counterproductive way you're going about trying to achieve them.

The scary thing is you don't seem to recognise the effect your postings style has ... because you have or so you claim plenty of very positive supporters, you reckon you can ignore any criticism however accurate? That's arrogance in the extreme ...

And you still haven't answered anyone's questions about spamming ...
 
steve indigenou said:
Courting popularity in circles that are clearly opposed to our work, without even bothering to see it first, is not a priority.

The best way to court popularity is to stop courting prejudice. Not every urban75 member is opposed to your work. Your words also reach further than you seem to realise.
 
William of Walworth said:
But you don't care in the slightest, do you, about how much unpopularity you bring down on yourself with your over-confrontational attitude? Which as others have said is a bit of shame because there are those around here (even sceptical non-New Agers like me) who might have wished you and your project a fair wind had you not set about pissing everyone off ... even now I can see that some of Synergy's ideals/aims seem wortwhile. The real issue here is the counterproductive way you're going about trying to achieve them.
I rather admire Steve for not caring what people think. It's not necessarily arrogance. I get the feeling urban75 genuinely presses his buttons. And the argument seems to have both a political and a personal root.

And his magnificant rant against the 'charismatic leader' - a man so beyond the pale that multiple limited companies had to be launched to avoid his appalling influence made me laugh. I wondered for a moment if Steve and the CL might be angry ex-lovers, such was the vitriol displayed.

Any news on the email list yet? The last word from Steve was:
We did a emailing list trade with a friendly organisation, who we did a favour for at the same time.
I'd like to know precisely how the Data Protection Act and/or the new spamming laws may have been breached, plus the name of the "friendly organisation" who handed over list.
 
Anna Key said:
I rather admire Steve for not caring what people think. It's not necessarily arrogance. I get the feeling urban75 genuinely presses his buttons. And the argument seems to have both a political and a personal root.

In his e-mail to me he all but said everyone in the Synergy Project is convinced that urban75 has a grudge against them and it's hopeless to engage with us, and that was why Steve was posting in a deliberately aloof manner.
 
Loki said:
In his e-mail to me he all but said everyone in the Synergy Project is convinced that urban75 has a grudge against them and it's hopeless to engage with us, and that was why Steve was posting in a deliberately aloof manner.
In which case why engage at all? It's like picking a scab.

Incidentally, I haven't any beef with Synergy. I don't like a limited company doing community work - there are better options - but share Steve's (and Gramsci's) suspicion of the the 'Tyranny of Structurelessness.'

I laugh at all the hippy stuff, but who doesn't? What's the point of hippies if you can't laugh at them?
 
steve indigenou said:
As for the unpopularity, people should start to understand that I really don't care. Courting popularity in circles that are clearly opposed to our work, without even bothering to see it first, is not a priority.


Actually a friend donated some guest list passes for Saturday and I made an effort to pop down for a few hours. After Steve's outburst I'm almost resentful I bothered...
:rolleyes:

Truth is, it wasn't a bad party. The security was indeed very friendly, the venue decorated well; I've absolutely no problems with the production standards, atmosphere or effort behind the event. Only the cloakroom - was I'm guessing was SE1's responsibiity - left a sour taste, rigorously charging (over the odds) for each and every item.

The music certainly wasn't to my taste. But you can never accuse the loyal psy-trance crowd of lack of enthusiasm. And escaping from the trance gave me a chance to wander around the rest of the rooms. Some good visuals, some stands, some participative painting things and quite a bit more - all fairly nice, if a little familiar if you ask me. I'll give Synergy this though - it's not every Saturday night that you'll catch me sheltering in a teepee, sipping peppermint tea and watching a samba band go past.

OK, so the novelty of the teepee (and trance) wore off quickly enough. But it was far from an event which deserves derision. Each to his own and all that.

:)


Thing is, even after the event, I'm still at a loss as to what Synergy actually achieves. As far as I can see, it's a well put together event, catering mainly for the loyal psy-scene, but at 15 nicker it's hardly pushing back the 'frontiers of dance music' or meeting whatever grandiose claims Steve's putting up. A 'local alternative cultural vanguard' eh? Hmm...

It's ridiculous claims and self important pompousness like this that don't endear me to Synergy one little bit. So far I've repeatedly asked for Steve to give me a little more info on Synergy's projects and achievements, checked out the website, even been to to the event and I'm still none the wiser what they actually do.

Steve's sole example so far, 'With Oxfam, for example, we are training their VJ in how to get their messages across in our environment' - i.e we're helping a VJ show trippy/protest visuals to trance kids caning it in a nightclub, doesn't exactly fulfil Synergy's lofty principles of making a lasting impact on the local cultural environment.

it's not that I've anything against Synergy. In fact, I'm judging it on exactly the same standards as I would any commercial enterprise that continually made unsubstantiated claims (or marketing bullshit) about its achievements and spammed potential helpers without remorse. Steve's also shown little inclination to listen to legitimate concerns, so much so that I suspect that he previously worked in Monsanto's PR department.

It's a shit way of doing things, particularly for an ethical organisation which needs to grow in partnership with the local community. If ever I was tempted to contribute any help to Synergy, arrogant unapologetic assholes like Steve would have put me off long ago...

:(
 
Loki said:
In his e-mail to me he all but said everyone in the Synergy Project is convinced that urban75 has a grudge against them and it's hopeless to engage with us, and that was why Steve was posting in a deliberately aloof manner.
yes, but...on WHAT does he base this 'grudge' POV? :confused: if you look at the 3 threads in question, the only way in which people could have been said to 'have a go' is a) that dub & others initially thought they were a commercial venture ripping off the cooltan name and 'cred' which steve cleared up in his first post and b) steve's spamming
now - and please remember I have NO partisan axe to grind here - I've spoken to Shane precisely TWICE in my life (to wit "after you" at the bar and "evening, scuse me") the only political party I've ever belonged to is the reviled one currently running the country - ALL the agro apart from that has been caused by Steve's truculence and obsessive reiteration of the 'shane' and 'U75' hates me' theme.
I dont, f'rinstance, recall anyone heavily slating his 'work with officialdom' mantra-I can see a pragmatic use for such a policy
I honestly don't see how anyone could view those threads differently, and if they can, please explain it to me.
quite frankly, steve, you baffle me.
 
It baffles me that Steve deliberately posts in his 'aloof' style which wins him few friends in a forum consisting of many many posters who live in and around Brixton and enjoy clubbing - alienating a large chunk of the target audience they're supposed to befriend!
 
I don't have a grudge against Synergy - that's why I've offered Steve some good advice about accessibility and the Data Protection Act.

I do, however, have a big grudge against spammers.
 
Loki - if you know anyone else other than Steve involved with Synergy, I'd urge you to PM them and get them to contribute to this thread.

It's far from a personal grudge against Synergy, more that Steve's bloody mindedness and pompousness is getting everyone's backs up. I'd hate to think he really represents Synergy's views adequately.

:(
 
i might send a copy of this thread to a couple of friends at continental drifts - they're good folks but i don't know quite how involved they are.
 
tarannau know what you mean but I don't know anyone else in Synergy.

Steve has just sent me the Brixton Synergy centre proposal. It's a 13-page document in small type so it'll take me a while to wade through it. I'll post up some feedback in case anyone's interested.

But I have skimmed it, and not a chakra in sight in the proposal. Also quite a tight schedule - centre to be up and running on 1st April.
 
Anna Key said:
And his magnificant rant against the 'charismatic leader' - a man so beyond the pale that multiple limited companies had to be launched to avoid his appalling influence made me laugh. I wondered for a moment if Steve and the CL might be angry ex-lovers, such was the vitriol displayed.
I think they were mates once.
 
tarannau said:
Truth is, it wasn't a bad party. The security was indeed very friendly, the venue decorated well; I've absolutely no problems with the production standards, atmosphere or effort behind the event. Only the cloakroom - was I'm guessing was SE1's responsibiity - left a sour taste, rigorously charging (over the odds) for each and every item.

The music certainly wasn't to my taste. But you can never accuse the loyal psy-trance crowd of lack of enthusiasm. And escaping from the trance gave me a chance to wander around the rest of the rooms. Some good visuals, some stands, some participative painting things and quite a bit more - all fairly nice, if a little familiar if you ask me. I'll give Synergy this though - it's not every Saturday night that you'll catch me sheltering in a teepee, sipping peppermint tea and watching a samba band go past.

OK, so the novelty of the teepee (and trance) wore off quickly enough. But it was far from an event which deserves derision. Each to his own and all that.

Sounds exactly like what Megatripolis were doing 10 years ago. Hardly "pushing back the frontiers".
 
I just want to have an answer to this:

I've looked at the Synergy proposal again now and it sounds interesting (after you've got thru the fake-spiritual nonsense). But is anything really going on? Or is it just club promotion disguised as community activism?

Could I have a simple answer to this:

hatboy said:
Steve - could you tell me as asked before what actual events happen at the Synergy Centre in Brixton? Not clubs but other stuff? What it does for ordinary people and not just party people? Where is it exactly, when is it open, how can I/others get involved? What would be the benefit?
 
steve - despite lurking every now and again - obviously doesn't see fit to bless us with any answers, us being so unworthy. i'm sure it can't be because he actually CAN'T answer the questions asked of him.

surely?
 
hatboy said:
I just want to have an answer to this:

I've looked at the Synergy proposal again now and it sounds interesting (after you've got thru the fake-spiritual nonsense). But is anything really going on? Or is it just club promotion disguised as community activism?

Could I have a simple answer to this:

Did Steve not send you the proposal? I don't think he'll mind me pasting this snippet:

2. Benefits

The ethos that underlies the work of the proposed centre embraces the personal and social development of young people, promoting self esteem in the disaffected and disadvantaged through teamwork and the learning of new and relevant skills using creative media.

The centre and associated projects will deliver:

2.1 Training

Young people attending the centre will be provided with placements in an in-house production company working on a variety of arts and arts education projects including :

· UK-wide tours by leading traditional world music and dance performance groups.
· Education workshops in a variety of community arts and health education techniques, to be held in local schools and at the centre in the after-school / evening period.
· Holistic Edutainment Spaces at festivals, locally and nationally, such as the Lambeth Country Show, Glastonbury Festival and the Big Green Gathering.
· In-house ‘Conscious Parties’ - multimedia exhibitions harnessing the power of dance culture to raise awareness of social, cultural and environmental issues.

Through their involvement in the running of such projects, participants will gain training and experience in the following areas :

· Event and Project Management including:
project/event design
organisational development
venue liaison and management
marketing and market research
press and public relations
financial management.
fundraising


· Set and Decor Design.
· Sound Engineering.
· DJing and Dance Music Production.
· Video Filming, Editing and Projection.

2.2 Events

The centre’s performance space will provide a place to gather, network and socialise, and will incorporate an vegan café. Hosted events will include:

· Community arts productions held on weekday and weekend evenings and Sunday afternoons
· Poetry, visual and performance arts, and drum and jam sessions.

Licence permitting:

· Multimedia arts exhibitions, with DJs, live music, live-digital crossovers, drama and poetry performances, multimedia projections and soundscapes and stalls from artists, NGOs and community groups.
· Concerts and exhibitions from artists from a wide variety of cultures and traditions.

2.3 Information Service

An information service will offer resources in the area of Citizenship Education such as pamphlets, books and videos on issues including:

· Benefits and Welfare Advice
· Environmental education and campaigns.
· Healthy Living
· Conscious Parenting
· Spirituality and Religion
· Indigenous Cultures
· The work of NGOs in all these areas

These resources will be available for use at the centre, but will also be actively taken out into the local and wider community through an outreach stall staffed by volunteers.

Network directories will be made available to individuals and organisations looking to build partnerships or further projects.

2.3 Action Groups

Speaker meetings, panel discussions, exhibitions, workshops and meetings with practitioners and academia working in the social, environmental and cultural development arena.

2.4 Equipment

The hire of information technology, audio-visual and other items of equipment will be offered to community and education organisations at very reasonable rates.
 
Red Jezza said:
I agree entirely with that agenda, and am highly interested to see if they can pull it off


does that mean you actually know what a 'holistic edutainment space' is then?
 
Wooah! That's a veritable feast of touchy-feely, button-pushing buzz-words!

Could someone explain to me how you "harness the power of dance culture"
and how this enigmatic 'power' can be used to "raise awareness of social, cultural and environmental issues".

And what is a 'Holistic Edutainment Space' and why would the ' disaffected and disadvantaged ' kids of Brixton be interested in one?
 
strikes me that as ever with this project it's about what the organisers think the kids need, rather than what they'd like.

'can i have a youth club?'

'no, you can have a holistic edutainment space and be happy or you'll get a clip round the ear'.
 
editor said:
And what is a 'Holistic Edutainment Space' and why would the ' disaffected and disadvantaged ' kids of Brixton be interested in one?
I haven't a fucking clue what a holistic edutainment space is either editor, but some of the other stuff definitely sounds positive.

Why don't you get the proposal from Steve? It reads like a serious, well-thought-out business plan although I'm slightly dubious about the timescale, seems rather optimistic to me.
 
Red Jezza said:
I agree entirely with that agenda, and am highly interested to see if they can pull it off
Likewise! Let's not focus on the negatives eh, let's wait and see if they deliver.
 
Dubversion said:
does that mean you actually know what a 'holistic edutainment space' is then?
no, it doesn't! it means that I'm well aware there's a whole load of touchy-feely Kalifornian bullshit in there-always the same with hippies-but it doesn't mean that there ISN'T something that may be to the practical good of Brixton underneath it.
It's important here to distinguish between Steve's paranoia and empathy-skills deficit(as he isn't the only person involfved in synergy-you yourself said there's some good folk involved with synergy), the hippybollix, and what they may, or do, actually do.
About the first, 'nuff said.
about the second, bleurrgh, keep yer chakra leylines away from me, I'd rather have a kebab.
about the third-it's worth finding out, and-if there's value in there, to engage positively. if they get this centre going.
just trying to be constructive, like.
And you?
 
To add-I have a large (and entirely healthy) feeling of cynicism about Synergy, in that so far it seems to me to have boiled down to some (overpriced) trance parties and some (hippy) waffle, which may or may not in turn boil down to a smart rip-off. however, it also may be worth giving the benefit of the doubt, so I am waiting to see what comes out of the other end. Loki check PMs
 
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