Russell Brand on Revolution

[Pickman's model]

Ah but he's "changed" lessons have been learned

he's learned he effectively got away with the fascist salute, with the vile phonecalls, with the repeated sexism. it's all documented even if his groupies like Cheesypoof refuse to see it as a pattern of behaviour.

 

[Pickman's model]

To you, perhaps, but if he strike an interest in younger less experienced people, surly that's a good thing.

if he has an interest in younger, less experienced people questions should be asked.

 

[Ld222]

altho a member of a union i do not engage in struggle to gain the approval of the union hierarchy.

Fvck the hierarchy

 

[andysays]

So, would you prefer it, if done he do nothing?.

Each according to his ability and all that.

Given the very limited ability you've shown on this thread to understand the arguments that others are making, to say anything of substance yourself, or to progress between crude either-someone-agrees-wholeheartedly-with-everything-Brand-says-and-does-or-they're-telling-him-to-do-nothing binary nonsense, I guess it would be unreasonable of me to expect anything better than this from you

 

[Ld222]

if he has an interest in younger, less experienced people questions should be asked.

If he gets them interested in Socialist politics, surly its a good thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

If he gets them interested in Socialist politics, surly its a good thing.

has he managed to interest anyone in socialist politicks tho?

 

[Ld222]

Given the very limited ability you've shown on this thread to understand the arguments that others are making, to say anything of substance yourself, or to progress between crude either-someone-agrees-wholeheartedly-with-everything-Brand-says-and-does-or-they're-telling-him-to-do-nothing binary nonsense, I guess it would be unreasonable of me to expect anything better than this from you

I take that as an insult. Perhaps thats what you intended?

uppa the JPF!!

 

[chilango]

So if Socialism was mainstream you would considered it 'yuk', ffs.

My "yuk" is towards the idea of the "mainstream" being an external other And towards the elitism and vanguardism implicit in this.

I don't give a fuck about Socialism but real change has to come from within the so-called mainstream not imposed from without by self-appointed missionaries.

 

[Ld222]

My "yuk" is towards the idea of the "mainstream" being an external other And towards the elitism and vanguardism implicit in this.

I don't give a fuck about Socialism but real change has to come from within the so-called mainstream not imposed from without by self-appointed missionaries.

Awh ffs.

No elitism here, no.

Real change will be brought about be raising the collect consciousness.

 

[seventh bullet]

So if Socialism was mainstream you would considered it 'yuk', ffs.

It seems like you've invested in this idea of the dull, beige masses and the socialist-whateverists bringing change from the outside by your use of the 'mainstream.'

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

If he gets them interested in Socialist politics, surly its a good thing.

Problem is, it's not just 'socialist' politics. It's all the bonkers lizard stuff that lurks below the surface. I quite like Brand as a person and comedian, I just think he is dangerously ill-equipped to protect himself against dodgy influences that, in his naivety, he might end up falling for.

 

[seventh bullet]

Awh ffs.

No elitism here, no.

Real change will be brought about be raising the collect consciousness.

Teach me, Little Lenin.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Problem is, it's not just 'socialist' politics. It's all the bonkers lizard stuff that lurks below the surface. I quite like Brand as a person and comedian, I just think he is dangerously ill-equipped to protect himself against dodgy influences that, in his naivety, he might end up falling for.

This. I tend to think he is naive, the media thing is capturing, in a cringeworthy way, his own development of ideas as time progresses. But it doesn't explain his closeness with dodgy characters and his apparent refusal to refute some of their more antisemitic, libertarian loonspuddery. And I don't think his attachment to specific campaigns, at local and national levels is useful, given his profile, and may be ultimately damaging to worthwhile campaigns.

Media bubble profiles tend to smother and overtake the fundamental issue and make it all about the personality. I'm much more sympathetic towards his aims around drugs treatment and legislation, because it seems more rooted in his lived experience, but the same caveats apply.

Naive, or dangerous (or both) seems to sum it up. It doesn't matter that he bangs on about local, grassroots activism and have people agreeing with him if it becomes about the man, not the ball. And that's the shrivelled media reality.

 

[ViolentPanda]

To you, perhaps, but if he strike an interest in younger less experienced people, surly that's a good thing.

"Younger, less experienced people"? Could you be more patronising?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fvck the hierarchy

It is spelt "fuck", you milquetoast.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Younger, less experienced people"? Could you be more patronising?

Ld222 likes a challenge

 

[Pickman's model]

It is spelt "fuck", you milquetoast.

surely "milktoast"

 

[coley]

he's learned he effectively got away with the fascist salute, with the vile phonecalls, with the repeated sexism. it's all documented even if his groupies like Cheesypoof refuse to see it as a pattern of behaviour.

Aye, we seem to be a forgiving lot as far as airheaded celebs go.

 

[Pickman's model]

Aye, we seem to be a forgiving lot as far as airheaded celebs go.

more's the fucking pity

 

[ViolentPanda]

It seems like you've invested in this idea of the dull, beige masses and the socialist-whateverists bringing change from the outside by your use of the 'mainstream.'

Our collective consciousness need only be raised by the likes of Russell Brand, for change to become reality.

Oddly enough, when our collective consciousness has been raised previously, through endeavours as temporally and ideologically diverse as Luddism, Chartism, Levelling, the advent of Communism and its offshoots etc, what usually happens is that we are suppressed - sometimes violently and sometimes subtly, but always suppressed.

But hey, the chap who wrote the Booky-Wook will change all that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Problem is, it's not just 'socialist' politics. It's all the bonkers lizard stuff that lurks below the surface. I quite like Brand as a person and comedian, I just think he is dangerously ill-equipped to protect himself against dodgy influences that, in his naivety, he might end up falling for.

Quite, and the causes he espouses are mostly entirely unprepared for the sort of fallout their patron could bring down on them, which is why I've made a similar point repeatedly.

 

[coley]

"Younger, less experienced people"? Could you be more patronising?

Surly young people ring a bell though

 

[ViolentPanda]

double post

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surly young people ring a bell though

I thought surliness was a definitive northern character trait.

 

[Pickman's model]

Our collective consciousness need only be raised by the likes of Russell Brand, for change to become reality.

Oddly enough, when our collective consciousness has been raised previously, through endeavours as temporally and ideologically diverse as Luddism, Chartism, Levelling, the advent of Communism and its offshoots etc, what usually happens is that we are suppressed - sometimes violently and sometimes subtly, but always suppressed.

But hey, the chap who wrote the Booky-Wook will change all that.

russell brand will be laughing all the way to the banky-wanky

 

[BigTom]

Out of interest what does rb say when the antisemitic stuff is pointed out to him?

Did he ever condemn that pickup artist he was posing with by the way?

I was right, he did:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...es-of-pickup-artist-julien-blanc-9870275.html

Russell Brand says he would 'never, never, never endorse' 'derogatory' and 'insulting' techniques of pick-up artist Julien Blanc

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surly young people ring a bell though

I thought surliness was a definitive northern character trait.

 

[coley]

I thought surliness was a definitive northern character trait.

Endemic amongst all the young,regardless

 

[ViolentPanda]

surely "milktoast"

Only if you're some sort of namby-pamby, airy-fairy ponce.

 

[Pickman's model]

Endemic amongst all the young,regardless

and quite a few of the auld