Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[phildwyer]

This ^^
Whatever they may be - young, badly-dressed, pissed-off Tory virgins - they don't look economically or socially deprived. T-shirt boy looks as if he went to public school and the others look as though they're pretending they did, so according to dwyer they ought to be able to pull. Surely there'd be some poor, social-climbing female willing to put out for them? Hmm. I guess not.

That's not really a pro-Roosh rally. It's some other group of nerds and dorks.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I keep getting the

urge

 

[Vintage Paw]

Nah, don't abandon it. Let's just ensure dwyer is an irrelevance and talk about anything but him.

 

[bimble]

I keep getting the

urge

No! Be the cuddly stoic lion.

 

[phildwyer]

What you're offering there sounds like a proposed explanation of why there are potential members of such communities and participants in constructing such subjects, but it seems to me that doesn't need a whole lot of explaining.

I think it needs explaining, because it is such a recent phenomenon.

In patriarchal societies (which is to say virtually every society that existed prior to the late-twentieth century), most women do not have the freedom to select their sexual partners. That's done for them by men. Under such conditions, men ensure that there is a woman for (almost) every man.

In post-patriarchal societies however, women get to choose their own sexual partners. The consequences of that are yet to be fully revealed, but it looks very much like one of them will be that many women choose the same men. Why wouldn't they after all?

The dynamics of how those 'literally insane' modes of anti-feminism get constructed within self-selecting online communities on the other hand, they seem like something that's more important to understand.

Yes, it's important to understand why it happens online, but that's relatively unimportant. The real problem is when it starts to happen offline. The online popularity of the heinous Roosh and similar can and has spilled over into the real-world psychopathy of Sodini and Rodgers.

 

[Vintage Paw]

This is interesting:

“I found Roosh, the man behind the hype and the controversy, to be a layered, tempered and earnest guy, who truly wants to help other men in their most basic and primal of life goals; a deep thinker, a powerful communicator and, even now in his more “settled” mode, a driven personality that nevertheless is a gracious host. … I got nothing but respect for the guy… .”

“The media has decided that confessed rapist RooshV is an MRA. He is not. He is a snake oil salesman peddling bad advice to confused men to pollute their bodies with dangerous barely-legal hormones and other dodgy supplements, along with equally bad advice on health, exercise, and women.”

Both are by prominent members of AVFM. The quotes are separated by the space of a year.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Post-patriarchy. Here we go.

We have a new term to derail things!

 

[frogwoman]

Can you name any of these 'post-patriarchy' societies?

 

[phildwyer]

Post-patriarchy. Here we go.

We have a new term to derail things!

You can quibble about terminology if that's your bag.

It's not mine though. So I'll just note that never before in human history have women been free to select their sexual partners based on nothing but their own sexual desire.

I'd call that a pretty momentous development in human history. A development momentous enough to have epochal consequences that are hard to predict. And prominent among the deleterious consequences is the emergence of the Rooshster.

 

[frogwoman]

There have always been 'bachelors' and 'spinsters' though. There definitely were during the victorian era which was anything but 'post-patriarchal'

 

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In patriarchal societies (which is to say virtually every society that existed prior to the late-twentieth century), most women do not have the freedom to select their sexual partners. That's done for them by men. Under such conditions, men ensure that there is a woman for (almost) every man.

oh gawds.

oh fucking gawds.

 

[toggle]

There have always been 'bachelors' and 'spinsters' though. There definitely were during the victorian era which was anything but 'post-patriarchal'

he's 'generalizing' again.

 

[phildwyer]

There have always been 'bachelors' and 'spinsters' though. There definitely were during the victorian era which was anything but 'post-patriarchal'

But there was nothing wrong with being a "bachelor." It was only the "spinsters" who suffered stigmatization. That's what's changed.

 

[killer b]

Nah, don't abandon it. Let's just ensure dwyer is an irrelevance and talk about anything but him.

good luck with that.

 

[Vintage Paw]

This is interesting:





Both are by prominent members of AVFM. The quotes are separated by the space of a year.

So I wonder what has changed? Is it, as the article suggests, that career-MRAs (idk what else to call them) have realised he's a distraction, that he was useful at first because he was capturing a big new audience that might be brought into the fold, and now all that media attention is actually of detriment to their project, which essentially hasn't changed? I think that's a decent analysis. AVFM has been around for ages, it's only really since GG and the like that MRA stuff has really exploded, although red pill bullshittery has been steady on reddit/the chans for a while before.

 

[frogwoman]

But there was nothing wrong with being a "bachelor." It was only the "spinsters" who suffered stigmatization. That's what's changed.

So you never got people saying stuff like 'it is most curious that a man of his age and status is in want of a wife' and that sort of thing? In a society where there was a woman for almost every man you can bet that people would talk if a man wasn't married.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Or maybe the year difference is a red herring, and actually they're just divided on who is 'one of them' and who isn't. Divided over what exactly they want and believe in. That makes a lot of sense too.

 

[likesfish]

Tbf i've managed to keep a relantionship going for 17 years and I' me so its not actually that difficult unless I'm some sort relantionship genius which is terrifying if true

 

[phildwyer]

So you never got people saying stuff like 'it is most curious that a man of his age and status is in want of a wife' and that sort of thing?

You've been at the Austen again haven't you?

Yes people said that. But the stigma attached to becoming an "old maid" was greater by several degrees of magnitude. That's not the case today.

 

[killer b]

Or maybe the year difference is a red herring, and actually they're just divided on who is 'one of them' and who isn't. Divided over what exactly they want and believe in. That makes a lot of sense too.

note how prominent members of this website - ostensibly a bastion of the radical left - can barely agree on anything.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Or maybe the year difference is a red herring, and actually they're just divided on who is 'one of them' and who isn't. Divided over what exactly they want and believe in. That makes a lot of sense too.

How someone does anything is a good clue on how they're going to do everything. A manipulator of women will be a manipulator of men too. Maybe they've just realized that?

 

[phildwyer]

Tbf i've managed to keep a relantionship going for 17 years

Cats don't count.

 

[8den]

the i

I think it needs explaining, because it is such a recent phenomenon.

In patriarchal societies (which is to say virtually every society that existed prior to the late-twentieth century), most women do not have the freedom to select their sexual partners. That's done for them by men. Under such conditions, men ensure that there is a woman for (almost) every man.

In post-patriarchal societies however, women get to choose their own sexual partners. The consequences of that are yet to be fully revealed, but it looks very much like one of them will be that many women choose the same men. Why wouldn't they after all?

.

Do you know maths?

 

[phildwyer]

Do you know maths?

Not really. Why?

 

[likesfish]

Cats don't count.

The cat hates me anyway

 

[frogwoman]

Where is the pet shop? Roosh V Plans Secret Meetups, Announces Locations on Internet

 

[Vintage Paw]

This is golden.

It's like I'm reading this thread all over again.

 

[emanymton]

Yep. I am. I think the majority of women, worldwide, would be horrified by a fat, white man in a suit regardless of how rich/powerful he was. Some women might make a non-sexual decision to pursue a relationship with him for security.



When exactly is it that individual women's preferences change and become the preferences of the 'women in general' you have so much insight into?

Can you please explain what is so horrific about fat people?

 

[phildwyer]

Where is the pet shop? Roosh V Plans Secret Meetups, Announces Locations on Internet

Oh man. These guys are loopy:

"Q: What should we do if a pretty girl shows up and begs to be a fly on the wall?
A: Get her number and then tell her to buzz off."

Way to go dude! And they wonder why they're single.

 

[DaveCinzano]

What do you do, Phil? Do you perchance pay a subscription to a PUA website ?

No, PUA websites pay him for his invaluable insights into Zee Female Psyche