Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[Vintage Paw]

If I want to know the truth, I watch what people do, not what they say. You should do the same.

If only there was somewhere that you could watch what women do when men aren't looking.

If only someone had posted a link to a place like that. If only such a place existed.

 

[Vintage Paw]

If I want to know the truth, I watch what people do, not what they say. You should do the same.

Where do you watch them, dwyer? What do you observe? Again, please provide your workings for analysis.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I bet dwyer's lost in a crywank loop over the unrequited tag.

 

[phildwyer]

What do you do, Phil? Do you perchance pay a subscription to a PUA website ?

This raises another interesting point.

Roosh's site appears to have started as a "PUA" forum. But now it has developed into an "incel" forum. This suggests that most "incels" are in fact disillusioned "PUAs" in the Elliot Rodgers mode.

So it seems that the popularity of "PUA" sites reflects a desperation among soi disant "beta males," and that said desperation is the product of increasingly open hypergamy. There is nothing that drives such people crazier than the idea of women pursuing their own sexual desires without regard for male approval. That is what's happening today, and that's why there is so much cognitive dissonance around the subject.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If only there was somewhere that you could watch what women do when men aren't looking.

 

[phildwyer]

Where do you watch them, dwyer?

In the world.

What do you observe?

I observe women marrying / dating "up" (when they can). In other words, I observe them practicing hypergamy. What do you observe?

 

[Pickman's model]

If I want to know the truth, I watch what people do, not what they say. You should do the same.

it's strange then you choose to post here where you can't see anyone

 

[Vintage Paw]

I wonder how long someone can go on without feeling like an absolute massive twat, ignoring repeated attempts to show them actual written down evidence of women's wants and needs and desires. Just ignoring one thing. Just picking a few things to talk about that they think they can refute (even though they can't). Ignoring the thing that is an uncomfortable truth. I wonder how long they can go on thinking no one notices.

There's a term that MRAs like to bandy around. It's a shame really, because it's a useful term, but it's become a bit synonymous with them. That term is "intellectually dishonest." It's a shame they've made it their own (in some circles) because it's the most apt term I can think of for dwyer.

 

[Vintage Paw]

In the world.



I observe women marrying / dating "up" (when they can). In other words, I observe them practicing hypergamy. What do you observe?

If only there were something concrete I could point to about what I observe.

 

[Miss Caphat]

ugh.

this was an interesting thread on an important topic. can we get back to some adult conversation?


fwiw phil made some good points, and what he mentioned about women's porn preferences are ones I've also heard widely quoted by other sources and took as fact myself so don't shoot the messenger

 

[Vintage Paw]

Gosh, imagine if someone linked to tumblr.

 

[phildwyer]

I wonder how long someone can go on without feeling like an absolute massive twat, ignoring repeated attempts to show them actual written down evidence of women's wants and needs and desires.

I looked at the site you recommended. The first three stories are examples of female masochism. What conclusion do you draw from that?

 

[Vintage Paw]

ugh.

this was an interesting thread on an important topic. can we get back to some adult conversation?


fwiw phil made some good points, and what he mentioned about women's porn preferences are ones I've also heard widely quoted by other sources and took as fact myself so don't shoot the messenger

This is an adult conversation. Dwyer is spouting utter shit that needs to be tackled because it's putting forth the same crap that men use to justify all manner of things based on 'evolutionary psychology' or even absolute essentialism. It's a tool of patriarchy. It's a very serious discussion. We handle it with some mockery, because that's what a debate with dwyer encourages.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Yep. I am. I think the majority of women, worldwide, would be horrified by a fat, white man in a suit regardless of how rich/powerful he was. Some women might make a non-sexual decision to pursue a relationship with him for security.



When exactly is it that individual women's preferences change and become the preferences of the 'women in general' you have so much insight into?

please speak for yourself as well. horrified? that's a bit much

 

[Vintage Paw]

I looked at the site you recommended. The first three stories are examples of female masochism. What conclusion do you draw from that?

That you looked at the first three stories.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Where do you watch them, dwyer? What do you observe? Again, please provide your workings for analysis.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Marrying up is on its way down

However, today's generation of brides, born between 1976 and 1981, is for the first time more likely to "marry down" than "marry up". While the majority, 56 per cent, marry in the same class, those choosing a spouse from a lower social class account for 28 per cent, while only 16 per cent of women are marrying men from higher social backgrounds. One women born in 1981 who, it could gently be argued, "married down" is Princess Anne's daughter Zara Phillips, who wed the middle-class rugby player Mike Tindall last year.

The IPPR suggests that one cause for the shift in marriage patterns is the changing jobs market since the war. In the 1950s and 1960s, deindustrialisation and the growth of women working in junior office jobs led to a trend of "marrying the boss", the report says. But as inequality grew in the 1980s, with losses of blue-collar, middle-tier jobs, education became more closely linked to occupation, and social class began to "harden its grip on who people met and subsequently married".

Marrying up is on its way down

 

[phildwyer]

fwiw phil made some good points, and what he mentioned about women's porn preferences are ones I've also heard widely quoted by other sources and took as fact myself so don't shoot the messenger

Ta.

It seems that some people don't think a man has any right to speak on this topic. I can understand that viewpoint, but I respectfully disagree with it. I therefore urge all participants in this thread to refrain from personal abuse, as I have done consistently throughout. It's an important subject and it deserves a serious discussion.

 

[Miss Caphat]

This is an adult conversation. Dwyer is spouting utter shit that needs to be tackled because it's putting forth the same crap that men use to justify all manner of things based on 'evolutionary psychology' or even absolute essentialism. It's a tool of patriarchy. It's a very serious discussion. We handle it with some mockery, because that's what a debate with dwyer encourages.

it's not the conversation, it's the way it's being handled. a bit too schoolyard & off topic.

 

[frogwoman]

Do you think the posters on Roosh's 'Return of Kings' website are representative of 'men in general'? You don't think there could be something about them that makes them less likely to be attractive to women?

 

[Miss Caphat]

Ta.

It seems that some people don't think a man has any right to speak on this topic. I can understand that viewpoint, but I respectfully disagree with it. I therefore urge all participants in this thread to refrain from personal abuse, as I have done consistently throughout. It's an important subject and it deserves a serious discussion.

maybe you should take a step back, though, tbf.

 

[phildwyer]

Do you think the posters on Roosh's 'Return of Kings' website are representative of 'men in general'?

No. But I do think they represent a new and growing subsection of young men.

 

[toggle]

I looked at the site you recommended. The first three stories are examples of female masochism. What conclusion do you draw from that?

that you didn't read my last post.

what's also not being mentioned in all this generalising is that there is a hell of a difference between what women fantasize about and what they actually want to do. for example, despite the claims by some mra groups, rape fantasies do not correlate with enjoying the expereince of rape.

 

[killer b]

Gosh, look what he's done. I forgot what phil in full flight looks like.

 

[bimble]

What if..the whole point of sexual fantasy is that it is, you know, not real life.
For instance I have a theory that there's a big overlap between powerful tory types and those men who pay good money to be humiliated / caned by someone in thigh high boots round soho.
Recent developments in the real world would suggest that the success of 50 shades is a symptom of the fact that, in real life, women don't need to subjugate themselves to powerful abusive men as they used to have to do. ?

 

[phildwyer]

maybe you should take a step back, though, tbf.

Not going to happen, sorry.

I don't think excluding men from this conversation benefits anybody.

 

[frogwoman]

No. But I do think they represent a new and growing subsection of young men.

I dont get how you can look at the posts on that forum and come the conclusion that women are more likely to want to bang CEOs than bin men or that it says something about 'women in general'. How do you know there aren't rich entitled white guys posting there?

 

[Vintage Paw]

What if..the whole point of sexual fantasy is that it is, you know, not real life.
For instance I have a theory that there's a big overlap between powerful tory types and those men who pay good money to be humiliated / caned by someone in thigh high boots round soho.
Recent developments in the real world would suggest that the success of 50 shades is a symptom of the fact that, in real life, women don't need to subjugate themselves to powerful abusive men as they used to have to do. ?

Some of the things women fantasise about wouldn't be physically possible, after all.

 

[phildwyer]

What if..the whole point of sexual fantasy is that it is, you know, not real life.

That's my whole point. It is precisely because of the liberties that feminism has wrought in the real world that an increasing number of women feel free to pursue their true sexual fantasies and desires openly.

It's not that hypergamy wasn't practiced before--in fact it's about as close to a universal as human behavior gets. But it was rarely acknowledged as an authentic expression of desire. Today it is. And as we see from Roosh and the like, that fact is simply intolerable to a certain type of man (those who do not benefit from it basically).

 

[phildwyer]

I dont get how you can look at the posts on that forum and come the conclusion that women are more likely to want to bang CEOs than bin men or that it says something about 'women in general'. How do you know there aren't rich entitled white guys posting there?

I don't know for sure. But it seems unlikely that so many rich entitled white guys would pose, for months on end, as guys who never have any sex.

I suspect the truth is that the percentage of men who never have any sex is on the rise, and I think open hypergamy is the reason for this.