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MickiQ said:
Tax added to imported goods to make them less competitive that locally manufactured ones. If country A makes widgets at 10 groats per widget and country B can make them at 5 groats each then someone in A can import them paying 6 groats per widget, sell them at 7, still make a profit and undercut local widget makers.
Government of A slaps a 4 groat tariff on imported widgets and they're now 11 groats making them less competitive than the local ones. People start buying local widgets. That's the theory but it assumes that A still has a widget making industry or one that can keep up with demand if not then the good folk of A are now paying 11 groats per widget.
And of course in the real world the USA slapping tariffs on China means that China will respond and of course the USA imports a lot of stuff that it doesn't/can't make itself such as TV's or rare earths from China, or oil from Canada or components from Mexico which go into American goods making them more expensive. The importer pays the tariff since despite Shitgibbon's gibbering there is no mechanism for making the originating country pay.
The importer then has to swallow the tariffs and possibly ultimately going bust or passing them onto the consumer making stuff more expensive.
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It can make sense when you're trying to kick-start your own industries and create new domestic demand for goods. There is a fair bit of disagreement about how well it's worked where it's been tried, but it's only ever been tried in 'developing' countries. Fair to say that success has been mixed.

Where the domestic demand for goods is already there in an advanced economy and with modern globalised supply chains, it is hard not to predict disaster. My guess is that few of these tariffs will come to pass. If they do, yes, the likely outcome will be job losses and rising prices. Tariffs are likely to hurt the US more than the countries on whom they have been imposed - those countries always have the option of selling elsewhere at a slightly lower price. Trump could kick-start industries elsewhere with this move.

But Trump appears to be trying to replace gunboat diplomacy with tariff diplomacy. Problem with that is that if anyone calls his bluff, he ends up hurting the US. It's a novel approach.
 
Our prime minster, Justin Trudeau, is stepping down and it looks like the Conservatives will win the next election,

Trudeau it clear that the US and Canada will never merge. I was wondering what the Conservative leader, Poilievre, would deal with Trump. Traditionally, the Conservatives got on well with the US, and I was concerned that Poilievre would just do Trump's bidding. I was pleasantly surprised when he did address the issue.

Pierre Poilievre, leader of Canada’s Conservative Party, shot back at President-elect Trump’s idea of making his country America’s 51st state.

“Canada will never be the 51st state. Period. We are a great and independent country,” Poilievre wrote Tuesday in a statement on social platform X.

“We are the best friend to the U.S.,” he continued. “We spent billions of dollars and hundreds of lives helping Americans retaliate against Al-Qaeda’s 9/11 attacks. We supply the U.S. with billions of dollars of high-quality and totally reliable energy well below market prices. We buy hundreds of billions of dollars of American goods.”
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Strange that he would use twitter to make his statement, he spent the day hiding from the news media. Imo, he should have made his statement on msm.


I got my quote from --> https://thehill.com/policy/internat...servative-leader-slams-trumps-51st-state-idea
 
spring-peeper said:
Our prime minster, Justin Trudeau, is stepping down and it looks like the Conservatives will win the next election,

Trudeau it clear that the US and Canada will never merge. I was wondering what the Conservative leader, Poilievre, would deal with Trump. Traditionally, the Conservatives got on well with the US, and I was concerned that Poilievre would just do Trump's bidding. I was pleasantly surprised when he did address the issue.



Strange that he would use twitter to make his statement, he spent the day hiding from the news media. Imo, he should have made his statement on msm.


I got my quote from --> https://thehill.com/policy/internat...servative-leader-slams-trumps-51st-state-idea
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Would you think a merger of canda and us would be good or bad?
 
spring-peeper said:
Our prime minster, Justin Trudeau, is stepping down and it looks like the Conservatives will win the next election,

Trudeau it clear that the US and Canada will never merge. I was wondering what the Conservative leader, Poilievre, would deal with Trump. Traditionally, the Conservatives got on well with the US, and I was concerned that Poilievre would just do Trump's bidding. I was pleasantly surprised when he did address the issue.



Strange that he would use twitter to make his statement, he spent the day hiding from the news media. Imo, he should have made his statement on msm.


I got my quote from --> https://thehill.com/policy/internat...servative-leader-slams-trumps-51st-state-idea
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Doug Ford has been standing strong against Trump too.
 
spring-peeper said:
Our prime minster, Justin Trudeau, is stepping down and it looks like the Conservatives will win the next election,

Trudeau it clear that the US and Canada will never merge. I was wondering what the Conservative leader, Poilievre, would deal with Trump. Traditionally, the Conservatives got on well with the US, and I was concerned that Poilievre would just do Trump's bidding. I was pleasantly surprised when he did address the issue.



Strange that he would use twitter to make his statement, he spent the day hiding from the news media. Imo, he should have made his statement on msm.


I got my quote from --> https://thehill.com/policy/internat...servative-leader-slams-trumps-51st-state-idea
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they do have a habit of changing unpopular policies when voted into power though :(
 
The whole Trump wants to buy Greenland...if it was on The Simpsons we would all be laughing at it. It's terrifying that he thinks he can buy Greenland..and even more terrifying that he thinks the US should try to get it whatever way it can.
The man is completely unhinged and dangerous. And he is aligned with a megalomaniac multi billionaire who wants to rule the world.
Pinky and Brain without the comedy options.
 
Favourite bit of the latest diarrhea to spew from Trump's odd shaped gob:

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump ramps up threats to gain control of Greenland and Panama Canal

The president-elect said he would not rule out the use of military force to seize control of the Panama Canal and Greenland.
www.bbc.co.uk

Trump also vowed to use "economic force" when asked if he would attempt to annex Canada and called their shared border an "artificially drawn line".
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Claudia Sheinbaum needs to come out with the same cobblers about the southern border and that Mexico is thinking of encouraging it's citizens and those transiting Mexico from lands south to ignore that artificially drawn line.
 
Trump's not the first US President to want to buy/annexe Greenland. Canada also wanted to buy it and the UK under Lloyd George wanted first refusal In any case irrespective of his views Greenland wants independence from Denmark.
 
Yeah, it's a weird time right now. Not actually in power yet, saying a whole bunch of random things that are never going to happen.

Probably best to just ignore him until he actually takes office. But it's clear he's trying a bullying tactic on everyone and everything, using tariffs as his threat mechanism rather than warships.
 
kabbes said:
I don’t think he’ll actually go after anyone. No follow-through
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Yes, it's all BS he isn't going to invade Canada or Greenland are anything like that.
But he is unpredictable and a complete and utter dick and events can sometimes have a momentum of their own so it's no impossible he will start a war with someone.

I think the most likely one would be Iran.
 
spring-peeper said:
Our prime minster, Justin Trudeau, is stepping down and it looks like the Conservatives will win the next election,

Trudeau it clear that the US and Canada will never merge. I was wondering what the Conservative leader, Poilievre, would deal with Trump. Traditionally, the Conservatives got on well with the US, and I was concerned that Poilievre would just do Trump's bidding. I was pleasantly surprised when he did address the issue.



Strange that he would use twitter to make his statement, he spent the day hiding from the news media. Imo, he should have made his statement on msm.


I got my quote from --> https://thehill.com/policy/internat...servative-leader-slams-trumps-51st-state-idea
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You're pleasantly surprised that the leader of one of your major political parties opposes being annexed by the US? Fucking hell we're living through mad times.
 
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