Almost all imported meat slaughtered abroad is halal-compliant and stunned. If the label/butcher says it come from an Islamic country and you care about it, don't buy it - same as I don't buy stuff that comes from Israel because I care about that.
What has other meat got to do with it? Many people find it very hard to keep fully informed about every single food production practice, but never-the-less form opinions about certain processes, which they believe are worth taking a position on.
I meant my second point. I realise that I'd numbered the previous questions also, so I apologise for any confusion caused. You said a refusal to serve (stunned) halal/kosher would be racist. I think you're wrong. Even inserting the word "stunned", people are free to make decisions It doesn't make them racist, even unwittingly so. You seem to back-pedal on that yourself, when you say that it depends on their justification. Well, their justification is on welfare grounds. (That's certainly mine). And then you talk about consistency. It's not always possible to be consistent in food production. There is no legal definition for free range pork, for example. So some people might feel it's important to take a stance on chicken because they are well-informed on the issue, but can't make the same level of judgement on pork. So leave other meat out of the equation for now. Just on Halal and Kosher meat, is it racist for a cafe to refuse to sell it on welfare grounds?
It's very well known (to those who care that most abattoirs do not stun properly because they are huge fucking factories expecting a higher throughput than is possible whilst maintaining professional standards.
Read the fucking thread Danny. If your concern is on welfare grounds, then you should be refusing to serve (and eat) most other meat sold in the UK. It is virtually all halal compliant. (see Tesco letter to the EDL). It is very easy to ascertain whether meat is unstunned because it would have to be especially sourced and retailer would know (because they get asked this question a lot).
I disagree quite strongly. Leaving aside the question of what "race" is for now, religious and cultural differences are not equivalent to it. There is absolutely nothing congenital, genetic or inherent about culture. You said to me earlier in the thread that "it is easy to throw around accusations of cultural relativism". Well, it is the sort of statement you make above that justifies the term. You are saying first of all that religion and culture are beyond criticism where you decide they are equivalent to race. Nonsense. If I criticise an aspect of a religion, that is a philosophy, a set of ideas. If I criticise an aspect of a culture, that is a behaviour or set of ideas. Behaviours and ideas are not immutable. They change. Nor are they a necessary part of anyone's being. There is no gene for particular cultural traditions. It is not a part of anyone's nature to belong to a particular culture. Indeed, I'd argue, to suggest so is itself racist.
"Yes and no"? I think you mean "no". You must do unless you also think your own statement that you're "not sure how Jhakta isn't ritual slaughter" is racist.
I've covered this above.
how do you square the final paragraph of your post with the first paragraph? it seems to me that your argument, such as it is, that it is very difficult to find unstunned meat in the uk is undermined by your unforced admission that MOST abbatoirs DO NOT stun properly. as opposed to your shrill refrain that people would have to search about to find unstunned meat.It's very well known (to those who care that most abattoirs do not stun properly because they are huge fucking factories expecting a higher throughput than is possible whilst maintaining professional standards.
This is a concern for all animal welfare enthusiasts, and rightly so. Those who genuinely care about it - enough to inform themselves about the nature of the problem - do not pretend it only applies to stuff that is labelled halal/kosher. It's like saying we have to tackle the attitudes of Pakistani men towards white women but there is no need to tackle the attitudes of the police towards sex crimes. Why focus on one small part of the problem whilst ignoring the much bigger issue that makes the smaller one more likely to happen in the first place?
Back to the derail ... A butcher selling unstunned meat would have had to source it specially, very few butchers will have more than one local halal abattoir available to them, many will have none. If they're sourcing unstunned halal
sorts out the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats usw.Hah
That's not what I meant! I meant in society as a whole, it wasn't a dig at ymu and others, i was talking about the importance of this being discussed in society at large without the topic being diverted from and the victims being forgotten in favour of an excuse to bring up any old shit and divert from discussing the relevant issue(s).
My dig about holes and digging was probably more directed at ymu (and phil of course), unfairly or not i dunno, it's still interesting bunfightery and it just wouldn't be urban if this kinda crazy tangent stuff didn't happen, it certainly clarifies one or two things a bit....
On this and your other comments, you need to really read the thread and how the issue came up. There's a context. It is a tangent, but at the heart of it lies the absolute certainty of some (very few, as it happens) that culture and religion are the equivalent of race, and that any criticism is therefore racist. This is hogwash. You are right to say that racists do latch onto culture. But there is a fundamental point at stake here, and that is the tendency of some people who see themselves as anti racists viewing cultural identity as a biological phenomenon, or as being functionally inseparable from one.
My mum doesn't like kosher meat because there's too LITTLE blood in it
Worst food I've ever had was a piece of lamb's liver in a kosher household. It'd been washed in cold water, and then seared in a frying pan and cooked until it had the texture and taste of old boot. If the piece had been bigger, I'd have patched my sole with it!
to be honest, i'm jewish, but there's plenty of things about the jewish religion i don't like, and this is one of them. i don't know how anyone can object to stunning the animalsI am sure most religious Jews wouldnt have a problem with stunning them either. A lot of people probably don't even know they're not pre-stunned.
It's a common joke amongst my family that kosher catering is all mammoth portions but pretty mediocre quality.
Her grammar is shite too. Still I don't think we should give a fuck about their grammar. I don't judge people on that, but their actions and how they are as a person. And Tommy is a bellend.
). Loss of blood is so massive and so fast that everything (including consciousness, apparently) shuts down.
No. The Gurdwaras offer vegetarian food because everyone can eat it.
