Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You’re a protected characteristic.It’s a protected characteristic though is it not?
You’re a protected characteristic.It’s a protected characteristic though is it not?
For discussing racism on a thread about racism?You’re a protected characteristic.
I'm no expert but I suspect the bigoted attitudes are formed by years of media grooming that 'travellers' are generally a nuisance to society who contribute little and infringe on the lives of 'normal hard working people' fueled in no small part by sensationalist reality TV like Big Fat Gypsy Weddings and the like.
Doesn't mean it's not a social construct and an inaccurate and unhelpful one at that.It’s a protected characteristic though is it not?
I never said it wasn’t a social construct but, you know, racism is based on something and we need words to describe those things.Doesn't mean it's not a social construct and an inaccurate and unhelpful one at that.
Racism, bigotry etc could be described as irrational. It never seems to follow logic, imho.I never said it wasn’t a social construct but, you know, racism is based on something and we need words to describe those things.
Ah, so you are a bargee then?I'm not an ethnic traveller but I'm still recognised by the government as a traveller - a cultural traveller, as well as new age and boaters there's also showmen, I have friends who fall into more than one category - ethnic and cultural. So it's not that clear cut. For me it was a choice - I wasn't born into it, but I do know cultural travellers whose kids are registered travellers because they were born into it.. I obviously don't face any racial discrimination, I don't struggle like ethnic travellers do, but there are some problems. For instance it took me 10 years to get a gp to register me back in London, despite the law saying they must register you, many of them refuse to. You need to provide utility bills for so many things nowadays and we can't, they won't accept our boat license. When El Jugs dad died even though we had power of attorney and used his residential address for our post we weren't on any of the bills so one of his banks and his phone company refused to speak to us. I've met boaters who are living in poverty, struggling because they don't know how to access benefits, although there are NGOs that can help with that if we signpost them. I have no credit rating, because I'm on the electoral rolls as NFA, this can cause problems, for instance, say you've had enough, you want to rent on land, you haven't used a residential address for post or voting, you're not gonna pass most lettings agents credit checks., or be able to get a mortgage. It's not something you get told, you find out. The van lifers group on FB is full of folks suffering the dawning realisation that the general public often treat them the same as ethnic travellers and they hate it, especially when they have their own prejudices about travellers. 'But I'm better than them.' Erm, no mate.
1. they set up camp on a bit of land at the end of Livingston village. They stayed three weeks. When they moved on, it took Council workers two days with a JCB and a lorry to clean up the mess they left.
Just frustrated with the tangent of whatabouteryFor discussing racism on a thread about racism?
Ok then.
Nobody is forcing you to reply to me.Just frustrated with the tangent of whataboutery
I never said it wasn’t a social construct but, you know, racism is based on something and we need words to describe those things.
pussyiosSome of my local pubs and restaurants close when there are travellers in the area.
and every single bit of crime gets blamed on them soon as they arrive. My neighbour said that on some towns, locals would sneak into their camp at night and try to poison their dogs.
It's a cycle. Same with Jews. Insular behaviour comes from learned outcomes.
You can sympathize with any groups of marginalized/discriminated against people. The actions of a few shouldn't be held against the majority.I've posted about this before but I, along with many other British Asians, find it difficult to sympathise with this group of people who are themselves, very often, incredibly racist towards black and Asian people.
I would suggest, particularly in predominantly Catholic countries, that shame plays a part in that insularity.If that were true, all black and Asian folk in Britain would be psychotic racists. I'm sure there's some truth in what you suggest but why isn't the opposite the case (solidarity among minorities). It's well established. Read past my post in the thread I linked to above and note the experiences of another poster (Foo's) black son, who was barred from the traveller's site.
Which group?I've posted about this before but I, along with many other British Asians, find it difficult to sympathise with this group of people who are themselves, very often, incredibly racist towards black and Asian people.
I picked up a copy of this at Glastonbury. There's a Travellers area there called Atchin Tan. Got talking to a couple of traveller campaigners. TT is on FB, so I follow to keep up with issues.Travellers' Times | Travellers Times this is a good read, for travellers POV
The actions of a few shouldn't be held against the majority.