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People stripped of benefits could be charged for challenging decision

Er, wasn't it the former leftist Starmer who on leaving his post gave advice that benefit 'fraudsters' should receive a max sentence of 10 years!
I think he was considering serious fraud that happens occasionally. Some frauds really take the piss as we've seen with property owners renting out while claiming HB etc for themselves.

Seems the criteria he was advocating were:
Whether the fraud was professionally planned
Whether multiple frauds occurred or a single fraud was carried out over a significant period of time
Whether a false or stolen identity was used Whether the perpetrator abused a position of trust in order to commit the offence

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I think Swingers Club™ could threaten ratings of Shark-Tank TV™

ETA
It'd be cheaper, with no animal rights issues. :)
Though there is the question of what to do with the bodies...

Feed the bodies to the sharks, two hit shows. Everyone's a winner.
 
Well, that's the point, isn't it? The state has decided that they're not in need.

Heads they win; tails we lose.

Only if you let them.
If they leave you with nothing, then you've nothing to lose. If you've got nothing to lose, taking to the streets and making your local Tories dance the lamp-post rhumba becomes a matter of little consequence, except perhaps earning you a holiday where you'll get 3 square meals and board.
 
There is a recession

Except that by the standard economic measures, the economy is no longer in recession - hasn't been for the last 2 or 3 quarters.
What the economy is, is experiencing very limited growth fueled by consumer spending rather than through the production of goods and services, which is never a good gig to be playing.

Therefore lets do everything we can to hang onto our wealth. Lets take it away from the country and hide it in our country estates. Fuck everyone and their cries for help. Murder isn't so bad. There are plenty of obstacles we can set up which make the innocent poor peoples blood flow.

Fuckers have been hiding their money since time immemorial. Cunts will always be cunts. The trick is to make them bleed for their cuntitude.
 
Mike and several of the commenters over at Vox Political have commented on IDS’ evident paranoia and fear of the public as he appeared before the parliamentary Work and Pension’s Committee. Not only did he have a bodyguard, but was also surrounded by several armed policemen. Martha, one of the people in the public gallery, describes the scene:

‘ Hi Mike, I attended the DWP hearing on Monday, IDS didn’t just have a body guard he had several ‘policemen’ with machine guns, maybe 3 or 4 at least. I didn’t dare to count them as it was frightening and it seemed best to ignore them for obvious reasons. The machine guns were raised and pointed at our group which included 3 people in wheelchairs and about 8 disabled and mentally ill people with their carers. We had all been security checked, bags searched and x-rayed, frisked and had walked through an airport style metal detector. We posed no risk or threat and it is quite normal for the general public to attend debates and hearings in the House of Commons, in fact MPs generally like our presence and encourage us, often coming over to meet us and shake our hands. Is it now acceptable to point guns at the general public when they attend the House of Commons? Who do we complain to?’

As several of the other commenters, including myself, have remarked, such paranoia clearly shows that IDS knows the immense suffering his policies are causing, and fears the rage and possible reprisals from the general public. Even so, such behaviour is still bizarre coming from an MP. I can quite believe Martha when she says that most MPs generally welcome the public to the Houses of Parliament. Politicians across the political divide are worried about increasing electoral apathy and the falling turn-out at elections. Hence the many campaigns by politicos to appeal to the ‘Yoof’ vote. They are also, by and large, conscious that for democracy to work, it has to be seen to work and have the active interest of the people on whose behalf they govern. And finally, like any enthusiastic follower of a particular career or vocation, they, or at least the good ones, try to communicate their enthusiasm for politics to the general public. hence the appearance of politicians and political writers and journalists at the various literary festivals up and down the country. It also has to be said that even politicians, who have advocated some terrible policies towards the poor, could actually be very kind and courteous in person.

IDS, by contrast, seems deeply suspicious and mean-spirited. And you have to wonder what he thought he had to fear from people, who’d gone through the usual security searches. Did he get some kind of craven, bullying pleasure by having armed goons point guns at the mentally and physically disabled and vulnerable? And what on Earth were the police doing, if they were pointing their guns at people? There has been considerable criticism of our armed officers before, most notably after the horrific shooting of Charles Menezes. I can remember reading comments from officers in the British army, who had served in Northern Ireland. They were very definitely not impressed by the coppers’ trigger-happy attitude and the way they carried their weapons. In Ulster it was standard practice to carry guns sloping down, with the squaddies’ hands in a posture so they could be immediately ready to bring the gun up if attacked. This was intended to prevent provoking confrontation through the public reacting to a raised weapon as a deadly threat. If the British army, which really did face deadly attacks from terrorist groups in Northern Ireland, is capable of carrying its arms in order to reassure the public and avoid conflict, then the question must be asked why IDS thought he was so important and so threatened that he had guns raised? It gives another clue as to why the man probably failed his officers’ exams. Clearly his judgement when it was appropriate to use deadly force, and when not, was lacking, with the result that he would place himself and the men under his command in serious danger.

Someone once said that ‘No-one trusts the man, who trusts no-one’. Smith has shown himself deeply untrustworthy through this show of excessive force. The attitude behind it is one of suspicion and contempt for the general public and especially the poor, unemployed and disabled he has penalised and victimised with his policies. Going into the Committee chamber surrounded by armed guards like the Fascist generalissimo of a banana republic, he is a contemptible petty tyrant, who has therefore shown himself totally unsuited for public office.
http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/20...ards-no-one-trusts-the-man-who-trusts-no-one/
 
Now that I have calmed down (a bit), I have to say that I think this is probably, at least to some degree, a bit of kite-flying before the next election. Under Article 6 of the ECHR, every citizen should have the right to a public trial in all criminal and civil matters, and for benefit claimants in particular, I think this would be extremely unlikely to stand as legislation if implemented. However, they have already gotten away with introducing fees for employment tribunal cases, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they wouldn't seek to argue that imposing such a charge was an administrative convenience and therefore justifiable.
 
IDS’ evident paranoia and fear of the public as he appeared before the parliamentary Work and Pension’s Committee. Not only did he have a bodyguard, but was also surrounded by several armed policemen.
The image from some dystopian film, of a corporate future, vicious policing, Kafka-esque punishments, is bleeding into reality. Class politics meets Brazil and 1984.
 
I think Cameron and his ministers are seeing how far they can push the people. When these money saving ideas are born around the meeting table, they are probably viewing everything on a spread-sheet, like accountants. They are only interested in numbers and everything else is expendable. This is what happened to British manufacturing, the accountants were given too much say.

Margaret Thatcher and the Coal Board lied to the British people about pit closures. It is therefore likely that the Con-Dems are bullshitting us in some way... although in this climate they are openly brutal, and the only authority that has even half a chance of constricting their raping of the people is the EU.
 
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.
For Dunked-in Shit, I'd wish constant pressure sores all over his body, and the regular contamination of his bath/shower water with chilli oil.
Neither would I, actually. I'm just fed up with how powerless we are against this piece of shit and his venomous crusade. These people are inhuman; I don't wish anyone cancer - but they are the cancer of our times.
 
And that vile wanker Roger Scrotum on the panel.
I couldn't make head nor tail of anything he said. He just came across as some mad old twat.

As for the bearded cunt who tried to divide between deserving and udnerserving poor in the audience by saying 'people have no moral claim to benefits, evne if they can legally do so'. What an obvious tory stooge.

Yet NOONE booed! Every week it's the same dismal shit: people sitting there procaliming it's good to help the poor but forever equivocating "but some benefit claims are fraudulent"

All the while Philip fucking Hammond is on the panel!

The programme becomes more irrelevant each week.
 
Q/T had the Church's letter as its first item, no mention of the thousands of deaths and some real nasty bastards in the audience.
It's a tory echo chamber; the audience is just the local business community and student tory wankers. There are very few outside voices. The panel is much the same, perhaps with token liberal for the sake of a nod toward balance.
 
'people have no moral claim to benefits, even if they can legally do so'.

I can't believe no-one replied 'people have no moral claim to tax avoidance, even if they can legally do so'. The current economic malaise has got fuck all to do with public money going out (certainly not welfare anyway, MPs expenses might be a problem but I digress), it's the amount of money going in. Whoever beardy cunt was, that was an open goal missed.
 
Indeed. Though I can believe it; it's a Question Time audience.

There's an attitude, displayed by said audience cockend, that is difficult to articulate but deviously misrepresents beneift claimants. The idea that someone who is able to work shouldn't be able to claim JSA because they are able to work. In other words, because they can work their circumstance is entirely of their own making and no matter how hard they try, how many applications they make or how many employers they petition, it will never be enough. It's a nasty game of scapegoating and IDS is unfortunately very persistent at this, but the JC has always treated claimants like this - and the longer you sign on the worse it gets. People just don't believe that it is the decision of employers, not the will of claimants, that decide who gets hired (and fired).
 
Classic divide-and-rule.
Everybody is getting had over by these twats, who're scared shitless that people might wake up and drag them down to Swinger's Club for an appearance on the afternoon Shark-Tank Special.
 
I couldn't make head nor tail of anything he said. He just came across as some mad old twat.

As for the bearded cunt who tried to divide between deserving and udnerserving poor in the audience by saying 'people have no moral claim to benefits, evne if they can legally do so'. What an obvious tory stooge.

Yet NOONE booed! Every week it's the same dismal shit: people sitting there procaliming it's good to help the poor but forever equivocating "but some benefit claims are fraudulent"

All the while Philip fucking Hammond is on the panel!

The programme becomes more irrelevant each week.

that guy was gross, its not just his opinions, it was the way he expressed them...
 
....I might be able to explain to him the difference between the words 'reform' and 'destroy'

Reform chicken is when you get all the bits that are not leg or breast and mash them up into a pulp, then mould them into a shape that looks a little bit like breast meat. If Cameron was in charge of a chicken factory, I'd be a much happier bloke! What Dave is doing to the disabled and the mentally ill is processing them into a more acceptable shape, regardless of their needs. Captain Cameron is looking down the wrong end of his telescope at a problem that is to do with money and, in his view, nothing to do with helping anyone. The system, even if it was designed to reform, is destroying because they have too much heat on the reforming machine; IDS has seen to that.

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tories should rebrand themselves after the t4 programme with this latest trick as heading that way via the back door with folk in need starving on the streets if too ill to work
 
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