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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

Anju said:
It is just two copies of the same picture.
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Look at the reflections in the doors. They aren't the same at all (because the doors are being viewed from two different vantage points), so it is two different pictures. It does look odd you trying to claim otherwise.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
chilango said:
What is this "wider 'progressive' society"? How much difference do they make? would they make were they to abandon their alleged hierarchy? It's not something I encounter IRL. But then I work a lot in SEND so see just how much is done (and isn't done too) in that field.
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If you're lucky he'll chuck you on ignore
 
chilango

Not children and education, I am talking about adults being physically attacked, don't recall marches for them, all the people who have committed suicide as a consequence of the benefit sanctions, bullying, support for these issues has been derisory, i don't like discussing these issues on an unconnected thread, but i am very angry about these failures, so are many sick and disabled people.
 
Anju said:
OK, this is why I reacted to the picture. Maybe it is just not a great picture and the paint pad vandal is a master paint pad artist. I could be wrong but I keep encountering people here who are claiming that the reporting of racist incidents is a conspiracy or attempt to make leave voters or the leave vote look bad and I admit this is probably making me rather angry and impairing my judgement.
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If this turns out not to have been a racist incident (let alone a racist incident prompted by brexit), do you think the misreporting of it will have heightened tensions or calmed them, will it have placed more people at risk or reduced the threat?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
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treelover said:
@Chilnago

Not children and education, I am talking about adults being physically attacked, don't recall marches for them, all the people who have committed suicide as a consequence of the benefit sacntions, bullying, support for these issues has been derisory, i don't like discussing these issues on an unconnecte thread, but i am very angry about these failures, so are many sick and disabled people.
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This spike in attacks doesn't seem to be attracting much action in real life, frankly.

At least nothing beyond what you would expect, and that's not enough. Where are the practical initiatives to combat this stuff on the ground? in the community? in the workplace? Y'know? AWAY FROM THE INTERNET. That's what matters. not how many fucking comments something gets on fucking CIF or whatever.

I agree with you that what is happening to many sick and disabled people - well, the poorer ones, 'cos class is boringly yet again the crux of all of this - is appalling and deserving of far more anger and response than it is getting.

BUT, I don't think raging against a "hierarchy of oppression" amongst some "progressive society" (who are they? what actual difference do they make? could they make? blah blah blah) contributes anything concrete to the situation.

Fuck some imaginary liberal left cavalry. Do it yourself.
 
butchersapron said:
What has this to with the referendum result? Or the two things the OP asks it be about? Foot was very strongly anti-EU.
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I doubt the knuckleheads could give a shit what he thought about anything!
Theres no way of knowing if its related or not - worth putting in the Not column for now - though the notion that the BNP and far right are emboldened would warrant it being mentioned
 
ska invita said:
I doubt the knuckleheads could give a shit what he thought about anything!
Theres no way of knowing if its related or not - worth putting in the Not column for now - though the notion that the BNP and far right are emboldened would warrant it being mentioned
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If every nasty thing is included then the thread has no value as reportage, as aggregation, as anything.
 
Anju said:
It's very artistic use of a paint pad. Don't think i would have the skills to achieve the different thickness of lines.
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Piece of piss if you are using a paint pen, maybe you can get jumbo ones of these. I was trying to find some imagery from Posh1 to show this, a Brum graf artist who uses paint pens but with his pen name it makes google search impossible
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butchersapron said:
What has this to with the referendum result? Or the two things the OP asks it be about? Foot was very strongly anti-EU.
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Quite:

… people say, ‘All these burdens, all these political disabilities, all these derogations from our sovereignty, all this dismemberment of our parliamentary institutions … all that must be done because of the economic circumstances that face us. We have no other choice.’ I do not believe it … I say to our great country, ‘Don’t be afraid of those who tell us that we cannot run our own affairs, that we have not the ingenuity to mobilise our resources and overcome our economic problems.’ Of course we have. We can do that and save the freedom of our country at the same time.
Foot M. Labour Special EEC Conference 1975
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Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
butchersapron said:
What has this to with the referendum result? Or the two things the OP asks it be about? Foot was very strongly anti-EU.
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Okay, I'd prefer the thread title to be, "People getting racially and otherly abused in the wake of the referendum result." And yes, I'm aware that a memorial stone isn't a person, before you "helpfully" draw my attention to that one.

Complete coincidence the memorial was defaced I suppose.

Perhaps we can now have pages of discussion about whether it was a sharpie or a paint pen, the width of the nib, black or navy ink, maybe even whether the person was left or write handed, and of course whether it was all just photoshopped. :rolleyes:

Edit - right handed!
 
CRI said:
Okay, I'd prefer the thread title to be, "People getting racially and otherly abused in the wake of the referendum result." And yes, I'm aware that a memorial stone isn't a person, before you "helpfully" draw my attention to that one.

Complete coincidence the memorial was defaced I suppose.

Perhaps we can now have pages of discussion about whether it was a sharpie or a paint pen, the width of the nib, black or navy ink, maybe even whether the person was left or write handed, and of course whether it was all just photoshopped. :rolleyes:
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But it's not what you would prefer. And why the "helpfully"? If you put down everything to the wake of the referendum result you have just rendered all other comments, everything that recognises wider ongoing motivations, influences, situations and responses and so on not worth discussing. It's all referendum related.

It's nonsense. It's apolitical nonsense - or worse, it suggests only a certain political view can explain what is happening and why - whilst seeking to shut down any wider explanations, debate or perspectives on what is happening and why. Od specific incidents or generally.
 
FB this morning a friend of a friend is punched on arm he questions wether it was racism then after 30 odd messages of support turns out he was cycling on the pavement and it was a jogger but expresses he's not sure what the motivation was. Well I suppose it could have been.
The worse racism I've come across in London is from Poles so Brexit could be anti racist after all.
I'm being flippant but from what I understand institutional racism is more problematic in London. I've heard racist sentiments from every corner of the planet here in public drowned out by the nature of the city and largely impotent
 
Rutita1 said:
We don't need a new thread we simply have to wrestle the other one back on topic.
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Don't think that's gonna happen. There's way too many folks intent on keeping up the noise (that OU mentioned) trying to drown out discussion that's actually on topic.
 
A friend shared this on Facebook. Again it is not a direct friend but a friend of a friend. Happened in Brighton. The guy got some photos of the people but not sure if I can post them here. I would like to as I know some of you are from Brighton so you man have seen them or can at least keep an eye out and report if you spot them.


Heard some voices outside to find 5 drunken men had broken into my garden. Confronted them and asked them to leave, they then turned on me. Called 999. One of them chased me down the street while shouting racial abuse. I genuinely feared I was going to have the living day lights beaten out if me. Thank you to BRIGHTON police who turned up speedily and arrested one. Got some good photo evidence - if you live in Brighton please share. What a bunch of low life scum!
 
treelover said:
chilango

Not children and education, I am talking about adults being physically attacked, don't recall marches for them, all the people who have committed suicide as a consequence of the benefit sanctions, bullying, support for these issues has been derisory, i don't like discussing these issues on an unconnected thread, but i am very angry about these failures, so are many sick and disabled people.
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Did you start a thread?
 
There are some pretty committed fash types in Brighton the incident I referred to was there so probably got people concerned even it was unrelated
 
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