Paramedics doubt Dr Kelly's 'suicide' cause
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
erm Dr Kelly's employers
Donna Ferentes
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As far as I am aware they are not in the habit of executing troublesome scientists.DoUsAFavour said:
They are countries, of course, where such things happen. Buit when they happen, they happen a lot. Deat hsquads and the like. When you have death squads, they don't just kill one person ever and then go home. But we don't have death squads here, unless you want to give a me a lost of people they have had killed.
It's not that they wouldn't do it. It's that there's no evidence to suggest that they did it, that they do it normally, that they wanted to do it, that they had any reason to do it in the case of Dr Kelly.
Indeed. Quite possibly Dr Kelly could have got hold of a scalpel, though I doubt that he had one on the mantelpiece just because he was "a man of science" - what's that about? Because he knew about physics do you think he dissected frogs on his day off? But there's no reason to suppose that he had one. And also - how much practice do you think he had in cutting his own wrists? You think it's easy? You think he'd used a scalpel before? He wasn't a surgeon, for Christ's sake.editor said:
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
editor said:
A) Everybody has access to a good knife
B) Most of the suicides I've known and all of the people that killed themselves over the aged of 25 put quite a bit of thought into what they were doing, planning time frames, planning methods etc.
nuffsaid
But this goes up to 11
Just to say - the paramedics in question are going to be on the radio either tonight, tomorrow night or Thursday night. After 10p.m. on Talksport (odd I know but the late night slot is not a sport programme). Sorry can't be more specific but the presenter mentioned it last night and didn't know yet what day he could get them in.
They are going to be on the James Whale show - now hold on before you all start hurling abuse at him, these people are going to be on to give their view, it seemed relevant to the thread, so there you go.
For those that don't know Talksport is 1053 - 1089am.
They are going to be on the James Whale show - now hold on before you all start hurling abuse at him, these people are going to be on to give their view, it seemed relevant to the thread, so there you go.
For those that don't know Talksport is 1053 - 1089am.
DoUsAFavour said:
More bullshit!
Donna Ferentes
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Sometimes this happens and sometimes it does not. It should be asid that even when people plan it, they don't necessarly know what they're doing. You don't necessarily know what a fatal overdose is, for instance - in fact, you're exceedingly unlikely to know.DoUsAFavour said:
One piece of evidence to support this position is that, despite all this planning, most suicide attempts fail. A very large majority fail.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Justin said:
Oh well why didnt you just say you are not aware, fuck me you could of saved this entire thread from happening.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Lock&Light said:More bullshit!
Er fuck right off and read what I said....
"B) Most of the suicides I've known and all of the people that killed themselves over the aged of 25 put quite a bit of thought into what they were doing, planning time frames, planning methods etc."
Donna Ferentes
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If only I could have.DoUsAFavour said:Oh well why didnt you just say you are not aware, fuck me you could of saved this entire thread from happening.
How many troublesome scientists have they disposed of, by the way?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Justin said:
utter utter bollocks most people who attempt suicide fail because that is not what they really want but that has nothing to do with this thread.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Justin said:
Ooh let me just have a look in the Guardian, hang on, there's none! You must be right! Sorry my fault as you were
Donna Ferentes
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No, that isn't true. I really recommend that you read Redfield Jamison on the subject.DoUsAFavour said:
A stupid and offensive posting. Come on, tell me how many they've had killed. Give me some evidence. Put up or shut up.DoUsAFavour said:
DoUsAFavour said:
"All of the people that killed themselves over the age of 25 put quite a bit of thought into what they were doing"
As I said, simply bullshit.
DoUsAFavour said:Oh well why didnt you just say you are not aware, fuck me you could of saved this entire thread from happening.
To be honest, I'm getting equally cynical of the way the paramedics are being pushed into the limelight as well.
I can't say I approve of the Govt's role in the sorry affair one little bit, nor our Tony's moralistic and superior-sounding witterings. Fuckers deserve all they get.
That said, I can't help but feel that these paramedics are being wheeled out and encouraged, partly to give Tony B a bloody nose. After all, considering the pattering the BBC got for its inaccuracies and the subsequent resignations, the Govt got away virtually scot free. This is the media's turn to gang up and attempt to give a bloody nose to the Govt.
I don't particularly doubt the honesty of these paramedics. But I also don't doubt that they're being encouraged and helped to come forward at every opportunity by many media outlets. There's a great story in there and the truth may suffer as a result...
editor
hiraethified
Right. So how many suicides have you known then - and what possible relevance have their tragic cases to Dr Kelly's suicide?DoUsAFavour said:
For the record, one of my closest and longest friends killed himself a few years back. He was over 25. The method he used clearly suggested that it was not planned in advance (but I'm not going to talk about it further because it still upsets me).
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Lock&Light said:
How very typical of this shitty thread, misreading the last resort of an online arguement, pathetic and childish.
DoUsAFavour said:
What have I, (and apparently the editor) misread? Your words seem clear enough to me.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
editor said:
Not that its got fuck all to do with this thread but, 3 close mates, and several other friends.
And as I said already I was commenting on my on own experience.
DoUsAFavour said:
Others have also had experience of suicides among their friends and aquaintances. Those experiences have all been different and could never be used to prove or disprove the suicide of Dr. Kelly.
Donna Ferentes
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That's fine (and I thought L&L's response unnecessary) but your own experience with a vey few people is no more relevant to the broader picture than the editor's contrary experience - or, indeed, my own. The point is that the experience of doctors who stuidy suicide and suicide attempts suggests that a reasonable proportion of them are very serious indeed in intent, i.e. the person involved is basically trying to die rather than crying for help, and yet a large proportion of these attempts fail nevertheless. Because killing yourself isn't such an easy thing to do.DoUsAFavour said:
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
editor said:
I'm sorry too. The funerals were terrible, although the last mate was much older and lived a much fuller life than the others so the funeral was full of people and character and had some laughter, as was suitible.
editor
hiraethified
My mate was an only child and his parents were clearly too grief struck to take anything more than an 'off the shelf' super-religious funeral: which made things even worse.DoUsAFavour said:
Instead of becoming a celebration of the great times my mate had enjoyed in his life, it was the dreariest, most depressing experience I can recall. Granted, it was never going to be a fun night out, but this was something else.
I was sat next to my Mum and made her promise that no matter how tragic my end, I never wanted anything as grim as this!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Another thought.
Lets assume "they" killed him.
Well, seeing as "they" have the technology to fly remote controlled planes into one of the worlds most famous landmarks, hide another plane load of people somewhere, fake a landing on the moon and rule the world through a shadowy network of all powerfull organisations, you'd think they would be able to get rid of one man without anyone noticeing, no?
Like I said before, it's all fucking bollocks, let the man rest in peace.
Lets assume "they" killed him.
Well, seeing as "they" have the technology to fly remote controlled planes into one of the worlds most famous landmarks, hide another plane load of people somewhere, fake a landing on the moon and rule the world through a shadowy network of all powerfull organisations, you'd think they would be able to get rid of one man without anyone noticeing, no?
Like I said before, it's all fucking bollocks, let the man rest in peace.
Donna Ferentes
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Bravo.beesonthewhatnow said:
So what are you saying, that if it looks like murder we should conclude it was suicide?
bravo indeed!
I don't intend to post much more here. The refusal of editor to confirm that he still believes Kelly bled to death says all we need to know on this thread.
When Roberto Calvi died, our corrupt system told us it was suicide. It took maybe thirty years for the inquest to be reopened. Let's hope Kelly's happens sooner.
bravo indeed!
I don't intend to post much more here. The refusal of editor to confirm that he still believes Kelly bled to death says all we need to know on this thread.
When Roberto Calvi died, our corrupt system told us it was suicide. It took maybe thirty years for the inquest to be reopened. Let's hope Kelly's happens sooner.
Donna Ferentes
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Or maybe not. Roberto Calvi died in 1982. The investigation (not inquest) re-opened in 2003.
Still no answer on the questions DrJ won't answer.
Still no answer on the questions DrJ won't answer.
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