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Latest doubts about 911 commission: Former Vice President calls for "Phase 2"

Have you actually read the 911 commission report?

nope :D

me,I don't really give a fuck about the whole thing. I'm only biconspiracycurious or something :D I find it interesting,that's all,I dont care enough to read every report (or any) I like the mystery of it all,I'm drawn to it,it intregues me.
 
Based on?

oh come on Ed,it was a crow bar to go to war in iraq,not because of terrorism,and not because of oil either!! (that one was the big dissinformation) But because that's where the aliens live underground. Can't you see??!! Oh why can't you seeeeee!!??

ps. This is areal theory,but I'm only taking the piss,befdore anyone thinks I believe it :hmm:
 
But clearly there where conflicts of interest, for example, Condoleeza Rice being so close to Phillip Zelikow, and the commission subsequently failing to investigate the prior warnings that she was given and did not act upon.

These kind of areas where not investigated. And there are others. I think that it would be useful for a 'phase two', taking as the basis the original report.

I'm not sure that it is at all likely that it will occur, certainly not under the present administration. But a large problem is that the commission was not given enough time and money, as well as a seeming closeness to the administration.
 
I dont care enough to read every report (or any) I like the mystery of it all,I'm drawn to it,it intregues me.

The official story was a lie.That is the only thing I'm sure of.

So you know it's a lie you just can't be arsed reading it.

To be so confident and so ignorant, bless.

I got intrigued by 911 conspiracy theories because of "OMG NO PLANEZ AT TEH PENTAGON" nutters, this interested me, because I have an e-mail dated sept 12 2001, from a friend of mine who was on the overpass as AA93 flew over head and saw it crash into the pentagon. As I began to look at the other conspiracy theories around 911 I found them to be equally flimsy, and generally propogated, by either the gullible, or those with an agenda; either for financial profit (hey buy my book, DVD etc) or to push for a political ideology I found reprehensible (Radical Islam, Anti Semitic, Right wing, or just fucking nuts.).

Another friend lost her brother in WTC 1, he was due to be married in October 2001. She finds these conspiracy theories distressing and upsetting but hasn't the stomach to confront them. And frankly the behaviour our own BK has endured at the hands of these nutters, should turn anyones stomach.
 
But clearly there where conflicts of interest, for example, Condoleeza Rice being so close to Phillip Zelikow, and the commission subsequently failing to investigate the prior warnings that she was given and did not act upon.

These kind of areas where not investigated. And there are others. I think that it would be useful for a 'phase two', taking as the basis the original report.

I'm not sure that it is at all likely that it will occur, certainly not under the present administration. But a large problem is that the commission was not given enough time and money, as well as a seeming closeness to the administration.

I can't help but notice that the above is characterized by a complete and total absence of anything factual the commission got wrong.

Just shout; "There were conflicts of interest" and "didn't get enough time and money" over and over again, it'll totally seem like you've found major factual errors in the 911 Commission report.

BTW have you read it yet Eddy?
 
So you know it's a lie you just can't be arsed reading it.

To be so confident and so ignorant, bless.

Obviously I don't "know" it's all a lie,it's just my gut feeling.

Sure,there's loads of bonkers shit out there on this. But to roll out an old cliche,don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's bound to be some truth in some of the more plausable ones.Like I say,it's just how I feel,ignorant,as you say,to the full story. But as I say,I ain;t that fussed. It'd be no supprise to me if it came out that it was the most bizzare turn of events you can think of,but i wouldn't be outraged,because i just don't care enough. I care just about enough to have a very ill informed opinion,and I'm happy with that. I'm the first to admit that I conviniently look past anything relevent,and just make my own mind up. It's my world,you leave me alone!! :D
 
Obviously I don't "know" it's all a lie,it's just my gut feeling.

So you're "sure" of it based on a "gut feeling"? Bless me, lets throw 500 years of rationalism, logic and critical thinking out the window, xes's knee is giving him jip, 911!!! INSIDZ JOB!

Sure,there's loads of bonkers shit out there on this. But to roll out an old cliche,don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's bound to be some truth in some of the more plausable ones.

Tell xes, and this should be entertaining, What are the "more plausible ones"?

Like I say,it's just how I feel,ignorant,as you say,to the full story. But as I say,I ain;t that fussed. It'd be no supprise to me if it came out that it was the most bizzare turn of events you can think of,but i wouldn't be outraged,because i just don't care enough. I care just about enough to have a very ill informed opinion,and I'm happy with that. I'm the first to admit that I conviniently look past anything relevent,and just make my own mind up. It's my world,you leave me alone!! :D

Whats that Blackadder line about Alchemy and "green"?
 
I can't help but notice that the above is characterized by a complete and total absence of anything factual the commission got wrong.

Just shout; "There were conflicts of interest" and "didn't get enough time and money" over and over again, it'll totally seem like you've found major factual errors in the 911 Commission report.

BTW have you read it yet Eddy?

I've read parts of it. Have you read it all? What are your thoughts on it?

Commission co-chairman Hamilton was the one who said that they didn't have enough time or money, and also that he felt like they where set up to fail because the administration had to much to hide.
 
Tell xes, and this should be entertaining, What are the "more plausible ones"?

well,stuff that doesn't involve holographic planes and other wacky invisible impliments.

maybe the main support girders were cut,maybe there were explosives planted all the way up the building. Maybe there's not even a coverup here,the terrorists just did a better job than they'll let on. We don't know. And I love that. factless dreaming,it's where it's at.

Ignoring your first comment,cos you're welcome to mock my beliefs,as they're completly based on nothing :D,and I'm not a blackadder fan (as such,it was ok) so I don;t get the last reference I'm afraid.
 
8den,don't waste your time on trying to figure me out mate,it's not worth it :) (I mean,I've not done it yet,so you've got no chance)
 
And it was commission chairmen Keane and Zelikow who accused the CIA of refusing to co-operate with them by not providing them with taped interrogations of Abu Zubaydah, because they where in fact covering stuff up.
 
I've read parts of it. Have you read it all? What are your thoughts on it?

I think it's an accurate representation of what happened.

Commission co-chairman Hamilton was the one who said that they didn't have enough time or money, and also that he felt like they where set up to fail because the administration had to much to hide.

WOOOPPPPPP WOOOOOOOPPPPPP CONSPIRACY LIE ALERT!!!!!!!


I'm assuming you didn't read Hamilton's book on the commission and are going some conspiracyliars cherry picking of the quote.

The quote is from Without Precedent.

Here's the quote.

Both of us were aware of grumbling around Washington that the 9/11 Commission was doomed--if not designed--to fail: the commission would splinter down partisan lines; lose its credibility by leaking classified information; be denied the necessary access to do its job; or alienate the 9/11 families who had fought on behalf of its creation.

Firstly It looks like OH NOES CONSPIRALOONY IZ RIGHT. But actually read the quote.

Both of us were aware of grumbling around Washington that the 9/11 Commission was doomed--if not designed--to fail

Hamilton and Keane don't say they think it would was designed to fail, they merely mention rumours, whether they believe it or not, we don't get to find out.







However...

(and this is where the pwnage starts)

Conspiraloonies don't quote the next line from Hamilton's book;

Hamilton and Keane said:
What we could not have anticipated were the remarkable people and circumstances that would coalesce within and around the 9/11 Commission over the coming twenty months to enable our success.

Hamilton and Keane believe the commission was a total success!

What we have here is a textbook example of 911 conspiracybollocks, misquoting someone, and cherry picking the context of the quote, in order to use it out of context and unfairly to support their bullshit.
 
maybe the main support girders were cut,maybe there were explosives planted all the way up the building.
There's not even the slightest slither of nano-evidence for either of those ludicrous lunatic fantasies. So why repeat them here?
 
I think it's an accurate representation of what happened.


Hamilton and Keane don't say they think it would was designed to fail, they merely mention rumours, whether they believe it or not, we don't get to find out.

However...

(and this is where the pwnage starts)

Conspiraloonies don't quote the next line from Hamilton's book;

Hamilton and Keane believe the commission was a total success!


Here is an interview with Lee Hamilton about his book:

"Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission".
http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html

'Solomon: Do you consider the 9/11 Commission to have been a success, and if so, under what ways do you measure that success? How do you call it a success?

Hamilton: The 9/11 Commission was created by statute. We had two responsibilities - first, tell the story of 9/11; I think we've done that reasonably well. We worked very hard at it; I don’t know that we’ve told the definitive story of 9/11, but surely anybody in the future who tackles that job will begin with the 9/11 Commission Report. I think we’ve been reasonably successful in telling the story. It became a best seller in this country and people showed a lot of interest in it.

Our second task was to make recommendations; thus far, about half of our recommendations have been enacted into law, the other half have not been enacted. So we've got a ways to go. In a quantitative sense, we’ve had about 50% success there. In a qualitative sense, you could judge it many different ways. But we still have some very important recommendations that we think have not yet been enacted that should be. '

So a total success, or a partial sucess? He says that he thinks that they did a good job, and where 'reasonably successful in telling the story.' Define success. If you define it as he thinks did a good job, success. If you define it as telling the story of 911, 'reasonably successful'.

Regarding the bit about 'being set up to fail', here we have it from the horses mouth:

'Solomon: You write.. the first chapter of the book is 'the Commission was set up to fail.' - my goodness, for the critics - who suggest that it was indeed set up to fail as some kind of obfuscation - you certainly dangled a juicy piece of bait out there in the river. Why do you think you were set up to fail?'

Hamilton: Well, for a number of reasons: Tom Kean and I were substitutes - Henry Kissinger and George Mitchell were the first choices; we got started late; we had a very short time frame - indeed, we had to get it extended; we did not have enough money - 3 million dollars to conduct an extensive investigation. We needed more, we got more, but it took us a while to get it.

We had a lot of skeptics out there, who really did not want the Commission formed. Politicians don’t like somebody looking back to see if they made a mistake.
The Commission had to report right, just a few days before the Democratic National Convention met, in other words, right in the middle of a political campaign. We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. We knew the history of commissions; the history of commissions were they.. nobody paid much attention to 'em.

So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. We decided that if we were going to have any success, we had to have a unanimous report, otherwise the Commission report would simply be filed.'
 
So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. We decided that if we were going to have any success, we had to have a unanimous report, otherwise the Commission report would simply be filed.'
Is that it you've got? Totally empty speculation based on a few highly selective quotes?
 
well,stuff that doesn't involve holographic planes and other wacky invisible impliments.

maybe the main support girders were cut,maybe there were explosives planted all the way up the building. Maybe there's not even a coverup here,the terrorists just did a better job than they'll let on. We don't know. And I love that. factless dreaming,it's where it's at.

Ignoring your first comment,cos you're welcome to mock my beliefs,as they're completly based on nothing :D,and I'm not a blackadder fan (as such,it was ok) so I don;t get the last reference I'm afraid.
The thing with the explosives was really done to death on the mega thread we had last year (I think that's why Ed immediately responds with the invisible explosives response). I even reprised it in an earlier post on this thread. There's absolutely no evidence for any other explosions that can't be explained by simpler, more rational alternative theories.

The ONE controlled dmolitions engineer that has gone on record saying that there was the possibility of a CD was dismissive of the collapses of WTC1 and 2 and only mentions it as a possibility for WTC7. That interview was done before all the details of the damage to WTC7 became available.
 
xes;7141581 big picture so I've only linked to it. Now said:
could[/i] have been taken part the way through the clean up. But if they weren't,then those there are some cut beams.
FFS: The beams were cut *after* the towers came down. Do you really think no one would have noticed teams of workers smashing up the towers structure, pulling apart walls and then drilling and cutting the exposed beams? What fucking planet are you on?

That site you linked to is a moron's delight too.
Pearl Harbor - JFK Assassination - 9/11 - Iraq - Are Connected!
Each were orchestrated and executed by the secret military-industrial complex with political financial agendas. They are the Manifestations of Abject Evil and a Scourge to Peoples Across the World.
 
That site you linked to is a moron's delight too.

I just did a google picture search,didn't check the site....because....I don;t care!! :D


And I live in my planet,where nothing is as it seems :hmm: But I'm happy here,it's nice :)
 
I just did a google picture search,didn't check the site....because....I don;t care!!
So you're an idiot, than. Thanks for wasting my time.

In line with our oft-repeated policy of 9/11 threads that offer nothing new but just regurgitate the same old fact-free 'found on the Internet' tosh, I think I should start readying this one for the loon archive.
 
Jazzz been pwned again, then? I do wonder why he still bothers.

Not in the slightest. But there is some truth in that I am finding less energy for attempting a gentlemanly exchange of views with aggressive, bullying posters like editor and puerile shit-throwers like 8den. And now pk's back too. :D

It's really no longer my style to lower myself to the shoutybollocks anymore, I have better ways to procrastinate.
 
Any news on your Birmingham investigation?

I've been incredibly polite and patient on that thread.

you can fuck off with your 'polite and patient'. I went all the way up to Birmingham to investigate the story and came back verifying it. You aren't the slightest bit interested in it, except to throw shit. Fuck off! I don't know why I ever bothered trying to indulge your crap. If you aren't happy, well shove it up your arse, frankly!

:rolleyes:
 
Hamilton: The 9/11 Commission was created by statute. We had two responsibilities - first, tell the story of 9/11; I think we've done that reasonably well. We worked very hard at it; I don’t know that we’ve told the definitive story of 9/11, but surely anybody in the future who tackles that job will begin with the 9/11 Commission Report. I think we’ve been reasonably successful in telling the story. It became a best seller in this country and people showed a lot of interest in it.


So a total success, or a partial sucess? He says that he thinks that they did a good job, and where 'reasonably successful in telling the story.' Define success. If you define it as he thinks did a good job, success. If you define it as telling the story of 911, 'reasonably successful'.

So let me get this clear, he's being modest, and you take that to mean it wasn't successful?

911 was a historical event Hamilton is merely saying the complete story of 911 will need to be told by the historians.

This is pathetic semantics dressed up as a point.

So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. We decided that if we were going to have any success, we had to have a unanimous report, otherwise the Commission report would simply be filed.'

Again so I have this clear, Republicans didn't want a damaging report published just before the election. Tried to fill the commission with their men, and failed. So in fact their plan didn't work. The Commission got more money, and came to a unanimous consensus. The Committee consider themselves a success. No one has pointed out where they went wrong.

And it was commission chairmen Keane and Zelikow who accused the CIA of refusing to co-operate with them by not providing them with taped interrogations of Abu Zubaydah, because they where in fact covering stuff up.

They received transcripts.
Where's the problem eddy? The commission came to a unanimous consensus, they are satisfied.

And I notice you'll still failed to point out a single conclusion they came to that is wrong.

Dr Jazzz said:
puerile shit-throwers like 8den.

Its the content of my posts that bothers you, not the language.

truth in that I am finding less energy for attempting a gentlemanly exchange

Thats Jazzz in a nutshell, he has conclusive proof of the greatest criminal conspiracy in history, he just couldn't be arsed showing it.
 
Thats Jazzz in a nutshell, he has conclusive proof of the greatest criminal conspiracy in history, he just couldn't be arsed showing it.

You can fuck off too! I've made thousands of posts on the subject of 9/11 on these very boards.

I can't be arsed dealing with your poisonous, hate-filled, jism-debate. :rolleyes:
 
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