Paramedics doubt Dr Kelly's 'suicide' cause

[editor]

I think if you re-read a little more carefully, DrJazzz was referring to the latter half of editor's post ("those desperate to find a conspiracy have no qualms about plumbing the moral depths"), and noting that it could equally well apply to the paramedics in question.

I wasn't referring to the paramedics. After all, they've already stated that they're "no medical experts" and that they didn't see if there was any blood underneath the body because they weren't there when the body was moved.

In fact, they asked to see photos taken at the scene after the body was moved, although why the authorities should feel obliged to satisfy their curiosity is anyone's guess.

My comment referred to the despicable and absolutely groundless suggestion that the family were 'paid off' to keep quiet about the murder of their loved one.

 

[editor]

Move along now... look, Blanket's resigned!

Are you saying that this is linked to Kelly's case?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

I wasn't referring to the paramedics. After all, they've already stated that they're "no medical experts" and that they didn't see if there was any blood underneath the body because they weren't there when the body was moved.

My comment referred to the despicable and absolutely groundless suggestion that the family were 'paid off' to keep quiet about the murder of their loved one.

Yes, I know - I was merely responding to rasputin. But well done for getting a few more bombastic adjectives in.

 

[rasputin]

I think if you re-read a little more carefully, DrJazzz was referring to the latter half of editor's post ("those desperate to find a conspiracy have no qualms about plumbing the moral depths"), and noting that it could equally well apply to the paramedics in question.

I have re-read the post and frankly I think it could be interpreted either way. If your interpretation is indeed what Dr Jazz meant then point taken.

But I make no apology for re-emphasising the point about the insulting suggestion that the family were paid to collude in a cover-up.

 

[editor]

If you're going to criticise Mike's punctuation, at least try and spell your own posts properly...

'Tis a beautiful thing indeed when a tedious pedantic windbag shoots themselves in the foot!

 

[editor]

Perfectly understandable that such a policeman might find himself wandering around the woods, just happen to be one of the first on the scene of a grisly national news event (coincidence of course), and completely forget what he doing or who he was with. Nothing to worry about. Move along now... look, Blanket's resigned!

So let's say it was all a big cover up and Kelly was bumped off by invisible - yet bumbling - hitmen who made him eat pills and maybe forced him to take out his old pen knife by mind control.

How would a police officer wandering around the scene have fitted into this scenario?

 

[Signal 11]

'Tis a beautiful thing indeed when a tedious pedantic windbag shoots themselves in the foot!

 

[editor]

Fair enough - but I'm not the one being a tedious pedantic windbag, am I?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

The jury's out on that one...

 

[editor]

The jury's out on that one...

Don't push it chum.

 

[Thumper Browne]

Don't push it chum.

Ban him!

 

[editor]

DrJ could get his own back tonight - he's playing at Offline and I'd be powerless to stop him singing a conspiracy-tastic set!

 

[Jazzz]

I wasn't referring to the paramedics. After all, they've already stated that they're "no medical experts" and that they didn't see if there was any blood underneath the body because they weren't there when the body was moved.

Didn't just one of them state that he wasn't a medical expert? One must be careful not to put words in people's mouths editor. They comprise one ambulance technician and one paramedic. I don't think anyone questions their experience in seeing cases of arterial bleeding first hand.

And they categorically state that this was not one of them.

 

[editor]

Didn't just one of them state that he wasn't a medical expert?

Yes. The one doing all the talking. I assumed that he was speaking for the both of them seeing as they did the press conference together.

He also said - categorically - that they hadn't seen the blood underneath the body because they weren't around when it was removed.

Hope you're ready to rock tonight!
You're billed up big-style on the program!

www.urban75.org/offline/

 

[Jazzz]

How would a police officer wandering around the scene have fitted into this scenario?

I would doubt he was 'wandering'. After any covert assassination it is necessary to have your men there. He (and his two accomplices) would be necessary to control the scene after the deed to make sure that

1. Kelly was finished
2. The killers get away
3. It looked like suicide

remember this was a public place

 

[editor]

I would doubt he was 'wandering'. After any covert assassination it is necessary to have your men there. He (and his two accomplices) would be necessary to control the scene after the deed to make sure that

1. Kelly was finished
2. The killers get away
3. It looked like suicide

remember this was a public place

So, a 'covert assassination' would have low ranking, local rural policemen ambling about and on hand, just in case of, err, what, exactly?

Of course, this adds a whole new dimension to your (utterly evidence free) speculation, saying that the Abingdon police were involved as well as the invisible (but clumsy) killer.

So who did the killing then? A local bobby on a pushbike?

And how did they get Kelly to (a) take along his pen knife and (b) swallow the pills?

 

[Jazzz]

There is clearly little point discussing this with you.

The important thing is to realise that Kelly did not bleed to death, and his death needs to have a proper coroner's inquest with a jury. It is not up to me to determine exactly how he died.

You have refused to confirm that you still believe he bled to death. That is all we need be concerned about.

 

[editor]

There is clearly little point discussing this with you.

So you don't think it a little unusual that a low ranking local bobby in a rural district would somehow be requested to be on hand to 'control' the scene of a high profile assassination with international repercussions?!

 

[Jazzz]

Well do you want to tell me what the hell he was doing there?

If I recall correctly, he was assigned to 'operation mason' at the time. Curious, huh?

 

[Jazzz]

However, on a listing of evidence provided to the Hutton inquiry by Thames Valley Police is a reference to a document described thusly, 'TVP Tactical Support Major Incident Policy Book텯etween 1430 17.07.03 and 930 18.07.03. DCI Alan Young. It is labeled ?ot for release - Police operational information.' Many of the exhibits are labeled that way or are not to be released as personal information.

...

So this 'tactical support' began at 2:30pm on the 17th, about one hour before Dr. Kelly left the house on his final walk. It ended at 9:30am the following morning about the time DC Coe and his men left the death scene. The obvious question is, to what was TVP giving tactical support? The name given the effort was 'Operation Mason.'

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/operation_mason.html

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

So you don't think it a little unusual that a low ranking local bobby in a rural district would somehow be requested to be on hand to 'control' the scene of a high profile assassination with international repercussions?!

I find it 'unusual' that a Detective Constable who was not part of the search team and was not where he was supposed to be just happened to be the first police officer to attend the scene of a high profile death with international repercussions.

Especially as he would appear unable to count to 'three'.

Yes, 'operation mason' was what he was assigned to. More on that in a bit.

Edit: Beat me to it, Dr. J...

 

[editor]

Yes, 'operation mason' was what he was assigned to. More on that in a bit.

Great! Fantastic!

So we've got the UK government, the US government, a low ranking Abingdon country bobby and now the Masons involved too!

Superb stuff!

All we need now is a few UFOs buzzing around the place and we'll have the set!

 

[Buddy Bradley]

That's got to be the worst codename ever...

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

And what's this about Coe being a 'low ranking local bobby ambling about'?

How do you deduce that, Sherlock? He's a DC, so your choice of words here would appear to be somewhat misleading.

 

[invisibleplanet]

So you don't think it a little unusual that a low ranking local bobby in a rural district would somehow be requested to be on hand to 'control' the scene of a high profile assassination with international repercussions?!

That's Diplomatic Policeman territory, surely ?

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Great! Fantastic!

So we've got the UK government, the US government, a low ranking Abingdon country bobby and now the Masons involved too!

Superb stuff!

All we need now is a few UFOs buzzing around the place and we'll have the set!

Yes. We have the masons involved.

Are you disputing that?

And what the fuck are you going on about UFO's for?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I find it 'unusual' that a Detective Constable who was not part of the search team and was not where he was supposed to be just happened to be the first police officer to attend the scene of a high profile death with international repercussions.

Especially as he would appear unable to count to 'three'.

Yes, 'operation mason' was what he was assigned to. More on that in a bit.

Edit: Beat me to it, Dr. J...

Don't bother. That is the biggest bollocks theory of the lot. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

The guy who wrote that manages to link Dr Kelly to every known conspiracy theory going. Within a single page of bollocks speak he goes from the death of DR Kelly to a plot against black people to how Timothy McVeigh knew Dr Kelly or, something It's totally insane. If you quote it here you will lose every last ounce of any credibility you have left!

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Not to mention the microchips

 

[Jazzz]

SE you can find the Jim Rarey piece and the details of Operation Mason on plenty of other sources besides freemasonrywatch, such as Indymedia - that was just the first that came up in a google search)

here's another good article

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/030404Talieva/030404talieva.html

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Don't bother. That is the biggest bollocks theory of the lot. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

The guy who wrote that manages to link Dr Kelly to every known conspiracy theory going. Within a single page of bollocks speak he goes from the death of DR Kelly to a plot against black people to how Timothy McVeigh knew Dr Kelly or, something It's totally insane. If you quote it here you will lose every last ounce of any credibility you have left!

Erm, I take it you're refering to this article?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00183.htm

Because if you are, you didn't read it properly.

I have no idea whether all the the information in that article is correct, but what I do know is that you are misrepresenting it's contents.

That's after me having just skimmed it for the first time in my life just now.

 

[editor]

And what's this about Coe being a 'low ranking local bobby ambling about'?

How do you deduce that, Sherlock? He's a DC, so your choice of words here would appear to be somewhat misleading.

Detective CONSTABLE.

* Chief Superintendent
* Superintendent
* Chief Inspector
* Inspector
* Sergeant
>>>>>>> Constable

Detective ranks parallel uniformed ranks and range from Detective Constable to Detective Chief Superintendent.

So that's the lowest detective rank you can get. Idiot.

My description of him as 'low ranking' is entirely correct.