Now Spain wants a piece of the action over Gibraltar - no deal it is then

[danny la rouge]

They're droids???

But not the ones you’re looking for.

 

[belboid]

I have no such fantasies.


Our democracy is very badly flawed.


I'm just going to make some really vague, wooly, statements that mean absolutely nothing, but maintain an air of moral superiority, whilst also leaving the current system completely in tact.

cfy

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Should Britain have seen itself as some sort of divinely ordained empire of justice? No of course not.


Is it ok to kill, now, in reaction to injustice in previous centuries? No, of course not.

Please don't accuse me of rewriting history in a post where you yourself selectively use historical episodes in a partisan manner.

Explain the black and Tans... seeing as you're so into non partisan discussion.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I'm not a colonialist.


Can you generate a list of entirely innocent English or Australian people who are expendable in the violent transition from British to Irish rule in, say, Lisburn? Thanks.


Perhaps you can look at the nearest British person to you, imagine them with their entrails spread across a pile of smoking rubble and think "yeah, worth it to swop flags".

The Irish fighters of 1916 were, by orders of magnitude, mostly on the Western Front.

The rebels were undoubtedly very brave indeed and skilful fighters too.

Given the potential for Irish separation from Empire around the Edwardian period, their taking to violence was unjustified.

Didn't work out too well either, did it? How many died in the civil war compared to at British hands in the previous 50 years?

Those dreary rebel songs have got in to your brain mate. Terrorism is a bad thing not a good one.

And if Maxwell had not executed the leaders they would have been footnotes in the books.
Heavy handedness and bully boy tactics took over.

 

[andysays]

Does yet another thread about Brexit really have to be derailed into a tedious reenactment of the 1916 Easter Rising?

 

[Cheesepig3]

cfy

Ah, so you think I like the current system and have no interest in changing it because I'm not in favour of murdering people, burning stuff down etc?


You got me. That's exactly right. You're just so insightful.

 

[Cheesepig3]

Explain the black and Tans... seeing as you're so into non partisan discussion.

As far as I can make out they were an abomination who committed vile crimes and antagonised people in to positions where violence became acceptable.


Stupid, nasty and wrong.


Unless you mean half light ale/half stout which is entirely a good thing.

 

[Cheesepig3]

And if Maxwell had not executed the leaders they would have been footnotes in the books.
Heavy handedness and bully boy tactics took over.

Yep.


On both sides.

 

[belboid]

Ah, so you think I like the current system and have no interest in changing it because I'm not in favour of murdering people, burning stuff down etc?


You got me. That's exactly right. You're just so insightful.

No, that is ot what I said at all. What I said was all you offer as an alternate is vague, meaningless, waffle. Which you have just done again. While you may not be ideologically supportive of 'the current system,' your vagueness offers no solutions or practical ways of opposing it. And, hence, is supportive of the status quo.

tl'dr - stop with the platitudes

 

[Spymaster]

And, hence, is supportive of the status quo.

But he's In The Army Now.

 

[belboid]

But he's In The Army Now.

a hero of the neighbourhood

 

[Baronage-Phase]

As far as I can make out they were an abomination who committed vile crimes and antagonised people in to positions where violence became acceptable.


Stupid, nasty and wrong.


Unless you mean half light ale/half stout which is entirely a good thing.

And who sent them to Ireland?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Yep.


On both sides.

Very very unequal sides.
Do you think that the rebel group were as well equipped as the Army? Or as numerous in terms of members?

 

[Spymaster]

a hero of the neighbourhood

He certainly seems to be Burning Bridges.

 

[Cheesepig3]

Does yet another thread about Brexit really have to be derailed into a tedious reenactment of the 1916 Easter Rising?

I prefer it when tedious threads about the Easter Rising get derailed in to bickering about Brexit but I take what I can get.

 

[Spymaster]

I prefer it when tedious threads about the Easter Rising get derailed in to bickering about Brexit but I take what I can get.

Whatever you want.

 

[Cheesepig3]

No, that is ot what I said at all. What I said was all you offer as an alternate is vague, meaningless, waffle. Which you have just done again. While you may not be ideologically supportive of 'the current system,' your vagueness offers no solutions or practical ways of opposing it. And, hence, is supportive of the status quo.

tl'dr - stop with the platitudes

How would someone who explicitly isn't supportive of the status quo, be supportive of the status quo?

We've seen all sorts of systems of government through history .

Most of them explicitly did not recognise independence of individuals in formulating or enforcing rules of behaviour or ownership.


Ours does, badly, both.

What, pray, is your solution or practical way to change it?

I think it's telling that I had to change the above reference to your post from "oppose" to "change".

What is opposition going to achieve alone?

We don't need a roadblock, we need a new route.

 

[danny la rouge]

Whatever you want.

But it does happen Again and Again.

 

[Spymaster]

But it does happen Again and Again.

Well that's what you're proposing but I've only really noticed cheesepig recently.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well that's what you're prosposing but I've only really noticed cheesepig recently.

Lies.

 

[not-bono-ever]

this thread is going down, down

 

[Spymaster]

Lies.

Alright, calm down down.

 

[danny la rouge]

Alright, calm down down.

I didn’t mean it.

 

[Spymaster]

I didn’t mean it.

That's the way it goes though.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's the way it goes though.

Not at all.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm not a colonialist.


Can you generate a list of entirely innocent English or Australian people who are expendable in the violent transition from British to Irish rule in, say, Lisburn? Thanks.


Perhaps you can look at the nearest British person to you, imagine them with their entrails spread across a pile of smoking rubble and think "yeah, worth it to swop flags".

The Irish fighters of 1916 were, by orders of magnitude, mostly on the Western Front.

The rebels were undoubtedly very brave indeed and skilful fighters too.

Given the potential for Irish separation from Empire around the Edwardian period, their taking to violence was unjustified.

Didn't work out too well either, did it? How many died in the civil war compared to at British hands in the previous 50 years?

Those dreary rebel songs have got in to your brain mate. Terrorism is a bad thing not a good one.

I'll ask you again - what gun are you on about. And what rebel songs

1916 was not terrorism.

Try harder. Or fuck off back to your "Irish cooking".

 

[Cheesepig3]

I'll ask you again - what gun are you on about. And what rebel songs

1916 was not terrorism.

Try harder. Or fuck off back to your "Irish cooking".

1916 wasn't. Ever since then it's been terrorism-a-gogo. As I'm sure you're well aware, being such a fan.

 

[belboid]

How would someone who explicitly isn't supportive of the status quo, be supportive of the status quo?

I've told you how, not my problem if you cant get your head around it. Although you do the same yet again immediately below.

We've seen all sorts of systems of government through history .

Most of them explicitly did not recognise independence of individuals in formulating or enforcing rules of behaviour or ownership.


Ours does, badly, both.

What, pray, is your solution or practical way to change it?

I think it's telling that I had to change the above reference to your post from "oppose" to "change".

What is opposition going to achieve alone?

We don't need a roadblock, we need a new route.

More meaningless gibberish. If you just keep coming out with meaningless gibberish then nothing is going to change, and the status quo remains in place.

I would like a socialist government. Let's try electing them, but if the ruling class do what they normally do, and try to use their military might to stop meaningful change, then I have absolutely no problem with the use of political violence to stop them.

 

[likesfish]

Which the British managed to make so much worse allowing NI to become a parody of the southern US states with Catholics playing the part of the blacks .
when it finally exploded they sent the Army who up to that point thought NI was good for a spot of fishing and shooting small creatures rather than people. Westminister had a hands-off policy and

 

[krtek a houby]

1916 wasn't. Ever since then it's been terrorism-a-gogo. As I'm sure you're well aware, being such a fan.

Nope - actual terrorism came from the British army murdering civil rights protesters, and acting in collusion with loyalists and the RUC in order to surpress and terrorise innocent people in the 6 counties.

And I'm no fan of terrorism, I've spoken up against it here for donkey's years but since you're new, I'll cut you some slack.