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Nicola Bulley Missing

it seems like the media and 'influencer' clowns who turned up at the river arguably were more to blame. and just the way society collectively follows and expects coverage of 'events' like this now.
the police said she was most likely in the river from the start, which she was. the rest seemed to stem from the family and police trying to cut down on the endless speculation and general interference from doing the job. some of how they tried to counter it likely wasn't right with hindsight but perhaps none of it would have come out or been said if they hadn't been constantly bothered for updates.
 
Did they fuck up the investigation though? They said they were working on the theory that she ended up in the river and they were right. With that it’s often a waiting game but they still have to try and locate the body which they were.
And obviously pursue all other lines while they remained possibilities.
 
Whereas it is infinitely sad that this poor woman has lost her life, at least the family have closure, not that that will be a comfort at the moment.

I think that the police have a lot of questions to answer, they appear to fucked the investigation right from the start. There will of course be apologies, and 'lessons learned', but no one will be required to resign, and the dysfunctional circus that is Lancashire Constabulary will roll on.

How was the investigation fucked Sas? The media strategy wasn’t brilliant to say the least, but what do you see as wrong with the SIO’s strategy?
 
The releasing of the personal details about the booze and menopause issues was completely unnecessary.

It was. Media strategy looked shit from the outside. Not sure how that impacts on the investigation though ?
 
I really don't know shit about this case, except to say it looks like our bottom-feeding piece of shit scum media have been entirely on form.

RIP Nicola.
They're giving the people what they want. As evidenced by the fact the people, who now have the means, are turning up and doing exactly the same thing or worse for their own TikTok, YouTube channels etc.
Not to mention in many regards already, the established "MSM" follow far better rules and practices than influencers and wannabe new media sites.
 
I think the case, the investigation and the current situation are mired in contradiction...

We want police investigations, particularly those affecting groups that have been marginalised by them, to be open and accountable. But we also need the privacy of those affected parties to be preserved.

We want police to communicate effectively, to know how to deal with the media. But we also don't want the police to have slick media operations able to deflect from their own accountability.

It's easy to say 'they bungled the initial investigation', but truth is we don't really know what the initial investigation was. I think it was kebabking who pointed out quite early on that, if there's a high probability that someone has fallen into a river (or vanished via river in some other way), the initial search for that person has to make compromises between preserving evidence and moving as quickly as possible to find them. It's also a river path. We watch police procedurals, dramas etc and expect that forensics can deduce exactly what happened from a misplaced fibre or a strand of hair. But the truth is that a fairly well trafficked bit of public ground, with dogs, fisherfolk, walkers etc is inherently going to be heavily contaminated.

Announcing her problems is, yeah, shit. But it wasn't 'unnecessary'. It did fulfil the media's need for explanations as to why things weren't done in a way that fit with their preconceptions of how an investigation should work. It was what the press had been asking for, and I think quieted speculation at least from that sector. But it was also definitely a pretty fucking awful exposure of a victim's private life, with a side order of misogyny.

What I think this exposes is less police incompetence, and more the difficulty of operating in an information environment where people are used to having every answer (even if they're often shit ones) at their fingertips. Where a lack of answers is never accepted, and always has to have a variety of explanations to pontificate on. Where every fucker has a mouthpiece, and where motivated grifters can get a spot on a marginal but influential press outlet desperate for engagement. I don't think there are any ideal answers here... Maybe there are some lessons, but they are very hard to unpick in any meaningful sense, and often just lead to further problems. And in the time it takes to properly implement them, the world will have changed again.
 
I think the case, the investigation and the current situation are mired in contradiction...

We want police investigations, particularly those affecting groups that have been marginalised by them, to be open and accountable. But we also need the privacy of those affected parties to be preserved.

We want police to communicate effectively, to know how to deal with the media. But we also don't want the police to have slick media operations able to deflect from their own accountability.

It's easy to say 'they bungled the initial investigation', but truth is we don't really know what the initial investigation was. I think it was kebabking who pointed out quite early on that, if there's a high probability that someone has fallen into a river (or vanished via river in some other way), the initial search for that person has to make compromises between preserving evidence and moving as quickly as possible to find them. It's also a river path. We watch police procedurals, dramas etc and expect that forensics can deduce exactly what happened from a misplaced fibre or a strand of hair. But the truth is that a fairly well trafficked bit of public ground, with dogs, fisherfolk, walkers etc is inherently going to be heavily contaminated.

Announcing her problems is, yeah, shit. But it wasn't 'unnecessary'. It did fulfil the media's need for explanations as to why things weren't done in a way that fit with their preconceptions of how an investigation should work. It was what the press had been asking for, and I think quieted speculation at least from that sector. But it was also definitely a pretty fucking awful exposure of a victim's private life, with a side order of misogyny.

What I think this exposes is less police incompetence, and more the difficulty of operating in an information environment where people are used to having every answer (even if they're often shit ones) at their fingertips. Where a lack of answers is never accepted, and always has to have a variety of explanations to pontificate on. Where every fucker has a mouthpiece, and where motivated grifters can get a spot on a marginal but influential press outlet desperate for engagement. I don't think there are any ideal answers here... Maybe there are some lessons, but they are very hard to unpick in any meaningful sense, and often just lead to further problems. And in the time it takes to properly implement them, the world will have changed again.
Finally some sense, was in the middle of writing about forensics themselves not being able to establish a crime had taken place(investigating is what the police do, and to a fair extent did) with screeds of DNA everywhere but you've put it better than me.

A fair amount of the investigation/avenues they explored was reported, but no one was really listening. They seemed to want to see Columbo walking down the secret path with a magnifying glass.
 
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