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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

treelover said:
'in fact, someone like Nick Davies could do a very good investigation into the revolving doors between the DWP and private compainies, incompetence, lies and smears..
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Indeed, and TBH one of the most hypocritical things that was thrown at Hayman was the criticism of his getting employed by NI after he suddenly retired - it was dodgy, but it (ie: jump ship from something you have an oversight role at of to something that you oversaw) is something that an awful lot of cabinet ministers and senior civil servants have done.
 
Mr.Bishie said:
Odds on Cameron being the next cabinet minister to leave, have been slashed from 100/1 to 20/1 with Ladbrokes in the wake of recent events.
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That's quite stunning, given that there are 24 members of cabinet. They have a built in profit margin, but they're basically saying he's as likely to fall as any of his cabinet are to resign (on average).

And those prices depend on what the people are betting on. The same people whose opinions are driving this.

Aces! :cool:
 
agricola said:
Clegg's problems stem more from political reality than his alliance with Cameron .... <etc etc etc>
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Clegg's problem stems solely from the fact that 2/3 of LD votes came from people who were voting to keep the Tories out. The LDs can bring down this govt simply by walking out of it. They'll never be forgiven if they don't, and their window of opportunity is nearly gone now. It's what happens to lapdog parties in coalitions - their support collapses, and rightly so.
 
Brook's letter to the culture committee basically says that she'll be stonewalling, and she'll be doing so as this is what the police have done with the justification that they don't want to compromise ongoing investigations, so she feels obliged to follow their example.

Still at it.
 
ymu said:
Clegg's problem stems solely from the fact that 2/3 of LD votes came from people who were voting to keep the Tories out. The LDs can bring down this govt simply by walking out of it. They'll never be forgiven if they don't, and their window of opportunity is nearly gone now. It's what happens to lapdog parties in coalitions - their support collapses, and rightly so.
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Perhaps, though that would probably lead to two worse situations than the one we are in now - either a Labour landslide as in 1997, or the Tories get in by themselves (of course the end result - in terms of policies implemented - would probably be broadly similar). The weakness that the Lib Dems have brought into the government is a good thing, after all without that weakness a lot of this stuff would probably never have come out.
 
agricola said:
Perhaps, though that would probably lead to two worse situations than the one we are in now - either a Labour landslide as in 1997, or the Tories get in by themselves (of course the end result - in terms of policies implemented - would probably be broadly similar). The weakness that the Lib Dems have brought into the government is a good thing, after all without that weakness a lot of this stuff would probably never have come out.
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1. The Lib Dems SUPPORT the hard neo-liberal policies of the Tories.
2. The coalition is much stronger than a Tory government with a slender majority would be.
 
agricola said:
The weakness that the Lib Dems have brought into the government is a good thing, after all without that weakness a lot of this stuff would probably never have come out.
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I don't really get that. I see the opposite - that under cover of 'coalition' and 'consensus', a whole raft of extremist measures is being pushed through. No way the Tories could have carried out their manifesto-busting agenda without the libdems, imo, even if they had a majority. With two parties in government, suddenly the very idea of honouring manifesto commitments becomes meaningless.
 
Santino said:
1. The Lib Dems SUPPORT the hard neo-liberal policies of the Tories.
2. The coalition is much stronger than a Tory government with a slender majority would be.
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3. Once we know we can bring down a govt, and how, Labour will be next in the firing line. We just need to keep sacking them until they behave or end up hanging from lamp-posts. If we have any sense. :hmm:
 
Santino said:
1. The Lib Dems SUPPORT the hard neo-liberal policies of the Tories.
2. The coalition is much stronger than a Tory government with a slender majority would be.
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1 - so do (and did) Labour
2 - perhaps, but there wouldnt be an obvious escape route from the government - after all, the "bastards" and the eurosceptics of the Major government had (at that time) no alternative party to jump to, they would (as they did) all have to live or die as Tories. The Lib Dems have an obvious (and relatively consequence-free) escape route and they know they would bring down the government by doing so.
 
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolitical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
 
treelover said:
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolotical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
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Other side of the 'thicko Sun readers' coin.
 
treelover said:
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolotical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
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What's the left going to do about it then, eh?
 
treelover said:
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolotical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
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This wouldn't be happening without public opinion. It's not urban and the media driving this. :D

They chose undecideds. Anyone who is undecided right now is likely to be extremely uninterested in politics.
 
treelover said:
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolotical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
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Joe public doesn't give a shit, judging by NotW flying off the shelves on Sunday :(
 
treelover said:
on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolotical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...
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Bit of both, I'd have thought. If you're undecided what you think of this government, that's as close to a definition of apolitical as you can get. It is one of the enduring weaknesses of our current political set-up that the opinions of a small, disengaged group - the swing voters in marginal seats - are the opinions that matter most to politicians.
 
krtek a houby said:
Joe public doesn't give a shit, judging by NotW flying off the shelves on Sunday :(
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no, the reason loads of peope bought it (and it was only 3.8 million people who bought it despite the initial claim of 4.5 million) is because a lot of people wanted a keepsake from the whole thing, shit i know, but that doesn't mean they werent INTERSTED in the scandal ...
 
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