butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You don't sacrifice scapegoats on altars btw, you banish them.
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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Oh, you were replying to a poster from 30 posts ago without quoting them. That's... helpful.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Actually the question is whether Murdoch is a fit and proper person to run a local newsagent.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, i was making a general point to all posters concerned with the question. You evidently can't remember what was posted - indeed you even replied to the post, apparently with no memory of it - so i think that you may well be sort of poster who would find my post helpful.
14 posts before btw - as i said, you can't help yourself.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
butchers - Screen full of nonsense. As you've started early this morning, would you share some more nuggets about Robert Peston and NI?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Anyone know who this latest arrest is this morning?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
That's certainly the interesting thing about the USA angle. It's the rest of the Board of News Corp - plus US shareholders - who are now key to whether the Murdoch family survives.
Only people called Murdoch on that Board care about owning British papers.
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
When Cameron was lying through his teeth about who told him what and when. He lied to Parliament. Miliband looked astonished, Clegg closed his eyes in quiet horror at the realisation that Cameron just brought his own government down so it's all been for nothing, and Osborne's already terrified visage took on an aura of total and uttter defeat.
It's beautiful. You have to watch it. Miliband was doing the horrified goldfish impression for a looooong time whilst Cameron lied and lied and lied.
At around 9.10 in that video a visibly shaken Disco Dave appears to be consoled by Lord Snooty
Ed Balls does a good shocked face as Milliwossnim does his goldfish impression too.
Clegg looks like he wishes he wasn't there.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Sadly not Cameron.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You don't want to be using that tannelised softwood crap for stakes, it'll rot out, and the entity you've slain will re-constitute within a couple of decades.
No, what you need is a good British hardwood stake. A nice bit of beech, oak, ash or (preferably) elm. In fact 5 stakes would be better: 2 for the hands, 2 for the feet, and one for where his heart should have been.
You don't sacrifice scapegoats on altars btw, you banish them.
Sorry
You can do what you like with a scapegoat. I don't think it matters much, except to the goat.
Twitter says that Sky News says it's Neil Wallis, former executive editor of NOTW.
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They werent' clear, Clegg, R4 this morning what exactly can happen if she still refused to attend.
Hintt: nothing.
They werent' clear, Clegg, R4 this morning what exactly can happen if she still refused to attend.
Hintt: nothing.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I am a hopeless optimist killer b. If I wasn't, I'd not be able to drag myself out of bed for no apparent reason. But there has been more than a touch of comedy optimism about most of those posts, no? Or am I really just that shit at being funny?
I don't think Cameron can survive this though. Clegg was still on the ropes from the local/regional elections before this - there'll be massive pressure from inside his party to do the obvious thing and walk out whilst they can still take some credit for bringing the govt down - and the Tory attack dogs in the media just lost a whole row of teeth, which makes the propaganda nonsense a very tough sell indeed given the number of U-turns they've had to do without this kind of pressure on them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not true at all. There is a process they can start on that will compel her to appear. It's a pain in the arse and rarely used, but it exists.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
'Wolfman' Wallis - the "World's No 1 Reporter" from the Star, poached by Kelvin MacKenzie and memorably put on the (expensively false) Elton John rentboy story back in 1987.
He was also editor of Mirror Group's Sunday paper The People in the crucial late-90s/early-00s period, before being brought over to the NOTW.
He was also editor of Mirror Group's Sunday paper The People in the crucial late-90s/early-00s period, before being brought over to the NOTW.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Oh dear, it looks like Wallis was almost home and dry...
According to this the goat was traditionally driven into the wilderness.
'And the Goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a Land not inhabited.' (Leviticus XVI, 22)
You are aware that the term 'scapegoat' nowadays rarely involves any actual goats?
In the same way that stool pigeon doesn't involve either stools or pigeons.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Clegg's problems stem more from political reality than his alliance with Cameron - after all, once the Lib Dems were actually put in a position where they took responsibility for something, they were always going to lose the ability to pretend that they were a less toxic alternative than whichever of the big parties they were standing against.
As for iDave, he is damaged by this - but he has a number of useful get-outs. For a start, there is the incontrovertible truth that Labour were in charge when all this was going on, they were deeply entwined with News International (dont forget the leaking of the 2005 election date, the leak of Hutton, "Sarah's Law" and a host of other collaborative efforts over things like immigration) at the time, and that despite all the evidence that was presented to both Blair and Brown they did almost nothing about it. Furthermore, given the scale of the use of the dark arts across Fleet Street (and NI's support for Labour between 1997 and 2008), it is almost unimaginable that Cameron and his family were not targets of this at some stage, something which can be wheeled out when required. As for the "attack dogs" comment, dont forget that the NOTW were only Tory at the last election (and before that, until 1995) - the Tories still have an overwhelming advantage when it comes to media outlets (and even if the scandal spreads to the rest of the tabloids, the Mirror were one of the worst offenders).
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
How has Phil Hall so far evaded the reach of Knacker or the ire of the Westminster dining club? Too many mucky pics of our great & good stashed away for a rainy day?
'For a start, there is the incontrovertible truth that Labour were in charge when all this was going on, they were deeply entwined with News International (dont forget the leaking of the 2005 election date, the leak of Hutton, "Sarah's Law" and a host of other collaborative efforts over things like immigration) at the time, and that despite all the evidence that was presented to both Blair and Brown they did almost nothing about it.'
Agricola, you can add welfare reform in the list of collaborations between the press and NL: the tabloid press through leaks, smears, misinformation, often provided by NL/govt depts was essential in creating the conditions/public mood, etc, which facilatated the implementation of the most draconian welfare regime since the 1930's or earlier..
in fact, someone like Nick Davies could do a very good investigation into the revolving doors between the DWP and private compainies, incompetence, lies and smears..
Agricola, you can add welfare reform in the list of collaborations between the press and NL: the tabloid press through leaks, smears, misinformation, often provided by NL/govt depts was essential in creating the conditions/public mood, etc, which facilatated the implementation of the most draconian welfare regime since the 1930's or earlier..
in fact, someone like Nick Davies could do a very good investigation into the revolving doors between the DWP and private compainies, incompetence, lies and smears..
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not read this/followed up/checked in full yet, just passing it on - looks v important.
EXCLUSIVE: News of the World and the ‘hacking’ of Danielle Jones
EXCLUSIVE: News of the World and the ‘hacking’ of Danielle Jones
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Just breaking: Brooks has announced she will be attending the Commons committee on Tuesday, but Rupert will not, and his son James says he's unavailable on that day. A summons has been issued for the appearance of those two.
So looks like Murdoch is going to do a runner and gtfo in the next day or two. I think it's safe to say that that the grip he and his newspapers have had over successive governments in the UK is now over for good. What good news this is cannot be overstated
So looks like Murdoch is going to do a runner and gtfo in the next day or two. I think it's safe to say that that the grip he and his newspapers have had over successive governments in the UK is now over for good. What good news this is cannot be overstated
butchersapron
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