Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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While it would be idiotic to deny there is racism at Millwall there are plenty of fans who aren't like that (my partner and many of his family, for example). Many of them support the club because they come from the New Cross and Deptford areas. I have been to Millwall many times and not found it worse than any other club. (I have heard monkey chants by Leeds fansand seen racist papers openly sold outside Hull City).
Also, in my work I have come across community initiatives run by them for young people. To suggest Millwall are singled out and kicked out of the league is imbecilic.
Good post. This is completely in line with my experience of living in and around SE London for best part of 20 years (until the end of 2008). Much more in Walworth than in central Bermondsey admittedly, but I was out and about all over. Including several Millwall games as it happened.
Over that time I encountered/hung out with plenty of Millwall fans, a few were arseholes generally, even fewer were out and out racists, but the vast majority were fine IME -- perfectly friendly and not dodgy.
Admittedly the ones I actually chatted with/drank with tended to be older and were sensible enough to be fed up with the hooligan/racist element giving their club a bad name. Which over my time declined significantly in numbers over the years (just contextualising here, not condoning)
Onket mentioned a Millwall supporting TU steward he knows, well of the regulars in my former pub at least two or three were the same.
One thing I liked was that they tended to respect me for holding steadfastly to my support of an even smaller, even less successful club
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
bollocks would you be happy to have a sensible debate; your first post showed the tone you wanted this to take.
In fairness Picky, Favelado stood his corner well after an inauspicious start. Still lost the debate IMO but his OP made it a difficult position to defend.
and look at the positive ripple-out.
Heh. Who would have bet from the OP that this thread would turn into a love-in for the 'Wall?
With Palace, West Ham and Charlton fans in the forefront of the love-spreading??
Gotta say Favelado you slightly blew it
That would never have been achieved without Fav's OP and dogged defence of his pretty indefensible position.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
only because he said what he believes
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Yep, OP was blatantly untenable, I only really went in because I smelt blood, I mean I fucking hate Millwall.
It's football we're talking here ffs, whatever happened to the hasty edit and 180 degree handbrake turn of position?
Yes. Better honestly held and expressed opinions - that can be examined and pulled assunder - than trolling.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
In all honesty it didn't need much effort for his views to be strewn about like the innards of an auld scarecrow.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
LiamO and Co-op were the best of a bad bunch and even they resorted to talking about Hillsborough and Heysel. Noone else engaged with me at all. Also, a lot of what was posted has bordered on apologism for Millwall's track record.
Go back to the last paragraphs of post 40 and take it from there. If we say my position is completely wrong and there is a consensus here that it is, what should we do then?
Go back to the last paragraphs of post 40 and take it from there. If we say my position is completely wrong and there is a consensus here that it is, what should we do then?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Gotta say Favelado you slightly blew it
I wasn't out to stomp all over other people. I just think the quality of the replies that came back was so petty, so shit and so much about Liverpool rather than Millwall that no-one made a strong counter-argument. I tried to be polite, tried to give ground where necessary and tried to see it from the other point of view too. What I got in return was people posting videos of the dead at Heysel, replies where people hadn't read my OP and small-mindedness.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Seriously, what do you want here? Everyone to repost the points already made on the thread? Or will you only consider the matter closed if each poster provides an individual point?
You were talking shit and you got called on it. You're like a dog returning to it's vomit.
Also, nothing posted has 'bordered on apologism for Millwall's track record' so don't try it.
You were talking shit and you got called on it. You're like a dog returning to it's vomit.
Also, nothing posted has 'bordered on apologism for Millwall's track record' so don't try it.
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
We should punish incidents of racism whenever they occur and are witnessed. Which is what happens now.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, it's never your own fault, it's always someone else.
fucking man up and take responsibility for posting a load of auld shite which put a lot of people's backs up, very few of them millwall fans.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Exactly. And quite right too.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
The cunt caught on film by the Sky journo has now been nicked:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11735/8496826/Man-charged-following-Den-racism-probe
Well this was an interesting read
I'll stick to personal experience. I've been traveling away to the Den for years and have seen my lot play Millwall at home on many many occasions. Never been witness to a single violent incident nor heard any racism. The worst I've ever seen was our last visit there when a Millwall fan was heard loudly demanding that a cop allow him to confront one of our fans at South Bermondsey station after a bit of verbal. Not quite what you'd have expected back in the day eh
I've known a few Millwall fans, have met with several more. All decent people.
They appear to be a magnet for every idiot in London whenever they have a big game and that's a real shame. They have a charming way of making visiting fans/players feel unwelcome and I imagine it's genuinely uncomfortable when it's thousands rather than hundreds who are giving it the large one. Nevertheless, for run of the mill league matches it doesn't really measure up to the Elland Road experience and I've found several other big grounds (St Andrews springs to mind) far hairier. Which isn't to tar all Leeds/Brum/whoever fans with the same brush either.
Good luck to them against Wigan next week, looking forward to seeing them in (another) Cup Final. Lewisham town centre was a sight to behold last time!
I'll stick to personal experience. I've been traveling away to the Den for years and have seen my lot play Millwall at home on many many occasions. Never been witness to a single violent incident nor heard any racism. The worst I've ever seen was our last visit there when a Millwall fan was heard loudly demanding that a cop allow him to confront one of our fans at South Bermondsey station after a bit of verbal. Not quite what you'd have expected back in the day eh
I've known a few Millwall fans, have met with several more. All decent people.
They appear to be a magnet for every idiot in London whenever they have a big game and that's a real shame. They have a charming way of making visiting fans/players feel unwelcome and I imagine it's genuinely uncomfortable when it's thousands rather than hundreds who are giving it the large one. Nevertheless, for run of the mill league matches it doesn't really measure up to the Elland Road experience and I've found several other big grounds (St Andrews springs to mind) far hairier. Which isn't to tar all Leeds/Brum/whoever fans with the same brush either.
Good luck to them against Wigan next week, looking forward to seeing them in (another) Cup Final. Lewisham town centre was a sight to behold last time!
This is canny good:
Why this one writer has followed Millwall from a young age...
Father-son relationships are tricky things. Without the benefit of that maternal instinct, extra effort is often required. These days it’s called ‘bonding’. ‘Modern men’ can read all the magazine articles and watch all the daytime telly they like to make sure the relationship with their son and heir blossoms. But what do you do when you’re one of the old school, working twelve hours a day back in the seventies and finding the demands of a young child a hell of a lot more than you bargained for?
http://sabotagetimes.com/football/millwall-its-a-father-and-son-thing/
Why this one writer has followed Millwall from a young age...
Father-son relationships are tricky things. Without the benefit of that maternal instinct, extra effort is often required. These days it’s called ‘bonding’. ‘Modern men’ can read all the magazine articles and watch all the daytime telly they like to make sure the relationship with their son and heir blossoms. But what do you do when you’re one of the old school, working twelve hours a day back in the seventies and finding the demands of a young child a hell of a lot more than you bargained for?
http://sabotagetimes.com/football/millwall-its-a-father-and-son-thing/
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
Brilliant.
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
Yeah, really good. I've stuck it up on KUMB too, and even there (West Ham site) people are generally positive about it. It definitely struck a chord. I go to football with my Dad when I go, I support the club cos he does and that's something that goes back generations in our family. I think that's a really important part of "who I am" (without sounding too wanky.) Football is a weird thing, I often ask myself why people care so much about it - but I think the answer is somewhere in articles like this.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
great stuff. like anyone who follows a small team like millwall, if people don't understand why we follow such a team, they won't ever understand and don't deserve to either.
i've been going to millwall football club since i was five years old with my dad. both lines of my family stretch back generations in bermondsey and walworth. it has been a major feature of our lives all through our lives, right back to when my great grandfather was following them.
how can you begin to explain it to anyone as dense as to brandish the whole club as racist and violent? millwall are based and have always been based in one of the most deprived areas in london. much like west ham, two clubs cut from the same cloth. rioters get lovely social explanations for their behavior, but a few lads over the years from the mass housing estates in bermondsey etc who have caused trouble at football grounds don't get the same rationalising of their behaviour.
and for the record, the trouble at millwall, apart from a few idiots like the one filmed, is a very, very rare thing.
when i read the smug, hypocritical know nothing bollocks from the likes of editor, calling us scum, i won't rise to it and call for the end of his notorious beloved cardiff - because i know how much it means to thousands in that area of the country, and probably what the club means to him, too. i read between the lines.
great article.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
still do.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
I thought you would be a Bedlington Terriers fan?
I occasionally would watch Ashington play* before they built an ASDA on top of the ground, like to see Newcastle do well and have a bit of a soft spot for Portsmouth as I lived there for awhile. That is as far as my supporting goes
*Had a lump in my throat when the old stand went down with COAL NOT DOLE still graffitid on one side.
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