Bobby Charlton's from Ashington. The complete disgrace to his roots that he isI occasionally would watch Ashington play* before they built an ASDA on top of the ground, like to see Newcastle do well and have a bit of a soft spot for Portsmouth as I lived there for awhile. That is as far as my supporting goes
*Had a lump in my throat when the old stand went down with COAL NOT DOLE still graffitid on one side.
Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
the scottish side of my family are partick thistle who have often been potrayed as the cuddly toy of scottish football, whilst the english side of my family (by marraige) are millwall which are kinda potrayed as the opposite. Havent had the opportunity to take in millwall yet, but i know as a partick thistle fan that stereotypes like that are a lot of pish. Im sure the same is true of millwall. Really need to go and see them at some point..
miktheword
Well-Known Member
Wall...a bit overhyped on the hooligan front, especially the Panorama Harry the Dog, meet with Tottenham, who they've never had a good track record with apart from League Cup '72..they're dying to get Tottenham by the way, especially after the pre season friendly early 2000s.
anyway. just back from Strabane for semi later today, as close relative, mixed heritage, plays for 'em.
So, have gone to a lot of their games last few years.
My view is that of course lazy journos will target them; their fans were not in the least surprised, Racist? you gotta look at Bermondsey, Lewisham, Deptford...and the traditional white working class that lived there, ( that series about London street slum clearance, one focusing on Bermondsey was good). Participating in their forums for a few years, lived in Woolwich mid 80s, there is definitely a feeling of 'white working class get persecuted'. Frequently there are posts highlighting white lads called for racism, and 'ethnics' not getting called. Threads are often turned to issues of race from where they didn't start from. A factor in this is that many seem to know those that got done for Stephen Lawrence and think they weren't (all) the ones that did it.
Often they will sarcastically ask 'what does Saint Doreen think about this?' When my relative joined them, the first thread was 'how many bluds do we need?'
However, despite being called a cunt so many times by his own fans, he has never experienced racism (at every other club he's played for, he has, by his own fans). To slag your own players is a Millwall thing. Yeah there's some old time, ignorant, backward views ( I did laugh when one old fella, watching a youth match, with 9 'black fellas in Wall's team said 'how can they call us racist when we've got 9 coons playing for us?')'
Overall it seems they hate anyone getting the media sympathy as they glorify, or just accept they will always have, media hatred. Liverpool are called 'Victimpool'. Threads predicting a minute's silence are commonplace.
Despite the Telegraph trying to use 2 so called wall lads threatening trouble against Thatcher death party 2m, most seem very opposed to Thatcher...and I'm talking about proper lads. Save Lewisham hospital gets a lot of support too.
They were keen to publicise Tiny's death a couple of months ago...legendary Black hooligan, not only for them, but respected across London; the sentiment, that 'don't matter who you are if you're Wall'
and the few that give outright racism on their forums get proper threatened and stick...'if you had said that to any of our real wackers who were black, you wouldn't be around' etc.
Millwall seems to me, to be a reflection of how entrenched the white working class can be if top down strategies 'Kick it Out' etc are imposed from without (anti fascists will know this from Lee Jasper's attempt at getting funding from having a march in Bermondsey in the 90s with (deliberately) no groundwork). Those with more time to research might look at Roger Hewitt's (?) 'Routes to Racism' research in that area early 90s, as to how white youth were separated from other ethnicities.
Poorly managed reactions can have a more adverse affect. In an attempt to assuage the media, their chief exec placed a 14 year old on an anti racism programme this year, after banning him....far from being racist, consensus was that he called Marvin Sordell 'a whale...Nemo or something'...that he abused a black player was taken as racist by the player on twitter and subsequently the media. That helped to entrench the 'one law for them and for us' mentality wrt racism.
The next month, El Hadji Diouf got respect from Wall fans for saying that.although constantly abused, it wasn't racist, despite the Mail egging him on to say it was.
Favelado..Liverpool has its own cultural racist legacy, with many of its fans...and Hooligan 'problem'?...not a major force, but, The Urchins?
anyway. just back from Strabane for semi later today, as close relative, mixed heritage, plays for 'em.
So, have gone to a lot of their games last few years.
My view is that of course lazy journos will target them; their fans were not in the least surprised, Racist? you gotta look at Bermondsey, Lewisham, Deptford...and the traditional white working class that lived there, ( that series about London street slum clearance, one focusing on Bermondsey was good). Participating in their forums for a few years, lived in Woolwich mid 80s, there is definitely a feeling of 'white working class get persecuted'. Frequently there are posts highlighting white lads called for racism, and 'ethnics' not getting called. Threads are often turned to issues of race from where they didn't start from. A factor in this is that many seem to know those that got done for Stephen Lawrence and think they weren't (all) the ones that did it.
Often they will sarcastically ask 'what does Saint Doreen think about this?' When my relative joined them, the first thread was 'how many bluds do we need?'
However, despite being called a cunt so many times by his own fans, he has never experienced racism (at every other club he's played for, he has, by his own fans). To slag your own players is a Millwall thing. Yeah there's some old time, ignorant, backward views ( I did laugh when one old fella, watching a youth match, with 9 'black fellas in Wall's team said 'how can they call us racist when we've got 9 coons playing for us?')'
Overall it seems they hate anyone getting the media sympathy as they glorify, or just accept they will always have, media hatred. Liverpool are called 'Victimpool'. Threads predicting a minute's silence are commonplace.
Despite the Telegraph trying to use 2 so called wall lads threatening trouble against Thatcher death party 2m, most seem very opposed to Thatcher...and I'm talking about proper lads. Save Lewisham hospital gets a lot of support too.
They were keen to publicise Tiny's death a couple of months ago...legendary Black hooligan, not only for them, but respected across London; the sentiment, that 'don't matter who you are if you're Wall'
and the few that give outright racism on their forums get proper threatened and stick...'if you had said that to any of our real wackers who were black, you wouldn't be around' etc.
Millwall seems to me, to be a reflection of how entrenched the white working class can be if top down strategies 'Kick it Out' etc are imposed from without (anti fascists will know this from Lee Jasper's attempt at getting funding from having a march in Bermondsey in the 90s with (deliberately) no groundwork). Those with more time to research might look at Roger Hewitt's (?) 'Routes to Racism' research in that area early 90s, as to how white youth were separated from other ethnicities.
Poorly managed reactions can have a more adverse affect. In an attempt to assuage the media, their chief exec placed a 14 year old on an anti racism programme this year, after banning him....far from being racist, consensus was that he called Marvin Sordell 'a whale...Nemo or something'...that he abused a black player was taken as racist by the player on twitter and subsequently the media. That helped to entrench the 'one law for them and for us' mentality wrt racism.
The next month, El Hadji Diouf got respect from Wall fans for saying that.although constantly abused, it wasn't racist, despite the Mail egging him on to say it was.
Favelado..Liverpool has its own cultural racist legacy, with many of its fans...and Hooligan 'problem'?...not a major force, but, The Urchins?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
fair points
one of the weirdest parts about millwall these days is that bermondsey still has a massive white working class, where most of the towns (peckham, walworth, deptford, etc) around it are highly mixed until you get to eltham where it gets white again. a huge chunk of our support now lives in kent or the home counties. but bermondsey has stayed this weird little 70s enclave. it is the only area in innner london i know where i have seen large groups of white working class youth hanging about. on the SE1 forum, popular with incoming yuppies and money to bermondsey, there is a lot of complaints about "chavs" - who they are sneering at is the white working class millwall fans that still fill the estates around there. it is an area i am sure that has a very "protective mentality", because they believe they should "stand" and resist the change that has happened in other areas. misguided i'm sure, but might go someway in explaining how the club cannot shake the racism label. it's a club of it's area. the area has always had a reputation for inwardness. i remember reading once that a daughter was shunned by her dad for bringing a lad back, not because he was black, the bloke was white, but because he was from walworth. huge underworld presence round there and all a bit hush hush. the bermondsey triangle was said to have the highest amount of major drug traffickers in it than anywhere else.
all said, i haven't heard a racist chant at millwall for about twenty years. i have heard racist comments, probably a couple per year, ones you might here in a pub in the west end now and then, or anywhere else. the club have made huge progress.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Yes, Torygraph journo's generally are...
Come off it, couple of posts on Twitter and hoolygeddon's heading for Traf Square? Use a little brain please
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
been done. boring.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if it was real I think we'd have heard about it thru other channels
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
well i think its real cos its in the tellygraff!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Millwall will be coming down to the party alright, to fuck with the police and have a laugh.
I was thinking of you in relation to this earlier
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
FWIW there was definately fighting in the Wrexham end (and I think the Grimsby end, according to the internets) at the FA Trophy final, so its not just a Millwall thing.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Millwall still the worst club in England for it though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It was really west ham and chelsea 
Ponyutd
Greebo likes this....r.i.p.
Themselves.
It was really west ham and chelsea
Current personal fave
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Not really, they just have the biggest number of people who claim to be fans - without ever attending a "normal" game, mind - and who are likely to turn up to a big game and act like a complete idiot.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Why so much trouble at their league away games then?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
So. Trouble with racism at home games. Crowd trouble at away league games. Trouble at Wembley. Attacks on anarchists in central London today. All of this is just this season.
But go on, talk about Heysel again and how Millwall are picked on. Worst club in the country. Fuck you for supporting them.
But go on, talk about Heysel again and how Millwall are picked on. Worst club in the country. Fuck you for supporting them.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Who's that aimed at?
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