Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....

[MillwallShoes]

Well, these are all great arguments you're making in defence of such a wonderful football club but I'd still like the bulldozers to be heading Bermondsey way asap.

same for nottinghill carnival then, where people get stabbed and shot? take the bulldozer to that place and the thousands who enjoy it?

 

[MillwallShoes]

yeh, you'd like to see bermondsey gentrified.

he sounds like a bloke who when he sees a cupcake, he says, "that cup cake looks awesome".

 

[agricola]

he sounds like a bloke who when he sees a cupcake, he says, "that cup cake looks awesome".

Actually he sounds more like the bloke who goes mad at the sheer evil of cupcakes, who rails against cupcakekind, and then goes to support his cupcake.

 

[Favelado]

yeh, you'd like to see bermondsey gentrified.

Not at all. We could put social housing on the current site of Millwall's pitch. How many flats do you reckon we could get on there? You might have to take your socks off for this.

 

[Pickman's model]

same for nottinghill carnival then, where people get stabbed and shot? take the bulldozer to that place and the thousands who enjoy it?

no, that's already been gentrified and he's right at home there. why would he want to disturb it?

 

[Favelado]

he sounds like a bloke who when he sees a cupcake, he says, "that cup cake looks awesome".

Nope. I think they're called fairy cakes and that the addition of clown vomit on the top changes nothing. Anyway, go and put BBC1 on, your team's on telly now. You must be made up.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not at all. We could put social housing on the current site of Millwall's pitch. How many flats do you reckon we could get on there? You might have to take your socks off for this.

why would i need to take my socks off to tell you to fuck off?

 

[Favelado]

So. I tell you all Millwall are a disgrace. Millwall subsequently prove themselves to be a disgrace yet again. The club is impossible to defend so you have to resort to imagining that I live in a middle-class area of a city I'm not even located in.

I'm sorry for being right. Make up whatever stuff you want. Pretend I'm Lord of the Manor and I burn tenners to keep my house warm if you like. Truth is Millwall is a fucking disgrace of a club and it would be better if it didn't exist. It's not my fault. x

 

[Pickman's model]

So. I tell you all Millwall are a disgrace. Millwall subsequently prove themselves to be a disgrace yet again. The club is impossible to defend so you have to resort to imagining that I live in a middle-class area of a city I'm not even located in.

I'm sorry for being right. Make up whatever stuff you want. Pretend I'm Lord of the Manor and I burn tenners to keep my house warm if you like. Truth is Millwall is a fucking disgrace of a club and it would be better if it didn't exist. It's not my fault. x

stop acting like little lord fauntleroy and then perhaps people will be more amenable to listening to what you have to say.

 

[IC3D]

I never noticed a great deal of racism in Bermondsey, they're just fucking nuts

 

[MillwallShoes]

I never noticed a great deal of racism in Bermondsey, they're just fucking nuts [/quote

i'd say one in thirty at the ground today were non-white. apparently we all do seig heils on mass though.

 

[pissflaps]

oh look. it's a herd of double-y-chromo mouthbreathers getting shouty fists over a game of soccer ball. fucking waste of skin and organs, each and every one of them.

stay classy.

 

[malatesta32]

'Me and MrsDarlingsKiss unfurled the 'The Bitch Is Dead' banner in front of the whole of Trafalgar Square and almost immediately got attacked by three Millwall scummers. All mouth and no trousers. It was funny as fuck cos I got accused of 'not being alive when Thatcher was in power' (I'm 35...but obviously I look young and fit ) then I was accused of not having a job (I do) then they called my mate a 'paki' and the next thing we know they get a talking to from the Met's finest. Cheerio!'

 

[malatesta32]

it isn't real. fucksake.

'Millwall fans arrested for attacking anarchists in a whitehall pub now according to another thread on here. I saw them fighting each other in 2004 at The Den too.'

 

[pocketscience]

'Millwall fans arrested for attacking anarchists in a whitehall pub now according to another thread on here.

Got any credible evidence of this?

 

[killer b]

Three drunk hoolies out for a scrap after the match is hardly the mass attack the telegraph was warning against.

 

[butchersapron]

Got any credible evidence of this?

One person (a journo) on twitter saying that they have confirmation. But of course, the idea that it 'was millwall' is ridiculous and shows that they don't quite get how this works, esp on a weekend. Alternatively, there was another journo in the pub who says it was just a few people doing pro-thatcher wind-up chants.

 

[malatesta32]

post 637 from one of our own:
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...ril-trafalgar-sq.308694/page-22#post-12144162

 

[bromley]

SCUM!

 

[pocketscience]

One person (a journo) on twitter saying that they have confirmation. But of course, the idea that it 'was millwall' is ridiculous and shows that they don't quite get how this works, esp on a weekend.
Alternatively, there was another journo in the pub who says it was just a few people doing pro-thatcher wind-up chants.

That'll be the freelance journo who works for the Times. I saw that. All hearsay though it seems. Weird that in this day and age there aren't hundreds of videos or photos doing the rounds.

Then there's this:

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04-13/police-millwall-fans-throwing-urine-at-thatcher-protests/

Police were heard to tell anti-Thatcher protesters in Trafalgar Square that Millwall football fans had joined the demonstration and were "throwing bottles of urine" at officers

and this: a Met officer telling anti thatcher protesters that there's Millwall in amongst the protesters looking for trouble...
Seemed to me like the pro thatcher press and Met were using Millwall fans as a psychological threat to keep the numbers down at the protest.Classic disinformation.
Millwall, the new Al Qaeda?
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-04-13/margaret-thatcher-protests/
Scroll down half way.. cant embed it.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, the journo - the one who tweeted it (not the one in the pub who didn't mention it) posts on here so he may well say something later.

 

[BlackArab]

So Millwall fought with Millwall, West Ham and the police at Wembley, against the police and anarchists at Trafalgar Sq, against the anarchists at Whitechapel?

Was there anyone in London who didn't fight with Millwall yesterday?

 

[Mr Moose]

i think if you're going to have a good ruck at the football, best not to do it where everything's recorded on cctv. just my opinion, mind.

I know, it's utterly mental isn't? And it's not like they wouldn't be aware following the West Ham incidents a few years back when face after face (mostly hammers I believe) got their own cut out and keep section of the Evening Standard.

You have to agree it's drink and drugs. Drugs should clearly be banned. Oh, they are.

 

[BlackArab]

So glad I have witnesses that place me in Bristol at the time

 

[goldenecitrone]

SCUM!

The right-wing press are so fickle. Only yesterday they were creaming themselves at the prospect of loads of Millwall fans going to confront the protesters in Trafalgar Square.

 

[Mr Moose]

They should of stopped the game and sent Kenny Jacket over to speak to them. Once the crowd were safely asleep the game could have started again.

 

[pocketscience]

Reddit

By Stan LDN:

I was at the stadium about 30 yards away from where this all happened so I'd appreciate if you took the time to read my account of what actually happened.
First of all - I resent the comment 'Millwall are the scum of the earth'. That little girl you saw there is Millwall. My 5 year old nephew and my 60 year old dad who were with me at the game today are Millwall. We, along with 99% of the Millwall fans in that stadium are no different to any other fans in the world.

The people you saw in that footage are the scum of the earth - there is no defending or denying that and you wont find a single Millwall fan who disagrees with you. We are a club who gets an average home attendance of 12,000 fans - there were 35,000 Millwall fans at Wembley today. Where have they come from? Your guess is as good as mine, but I can assure you thousands of them have no affiliation with the club whatsoever.

What ACTUALLY caused the mass brawl?
The brawl actually started about 10 minutes before the cameras seem to have picked up on it. First of all - everyone in that part of the ground was pretty much standing at the time, because we had a lot of possession at that end of the pitch and were having a decent spell. From what we could work out, there were 1 or 2 drunks who started pushing and shoving (we didnt see how it started). This simmered on for a while and they were stumbling across rows knocking in to others. The people they were knocking into were with their families and obviously reacted and told them where to go (like anyone would). The drunk guy s then started on these people.

Here is where it escalated. At this stage, at any ground in England, you'd normally expect stewards and/or police to step in and sort it out. I can tell you, and you will see yourself if you can find a wide enough angle, there must have been no fewer than 40 stewards standing at the front of that section of stand who were just watching the fighting and doing NOTHING. Not radioing for help, not going to get help, not even standing up - just watching. There were police in the corners of the ground also watching and doing nothing. There were, I'd estimate, no fewer than 100 Millwall fans trying to get the attention of the stewards and police to no avail whatsoever, while these idiots had been brawling and knocking into them and their families for the last 5-10 minutes while they were trying to watch the game.

Then Wigan score - effectively ending the game for us.

At this stage, the drunk dickheads from neighbouring stands had decided to come and see for themselves what was going on - I'd guess about 15 guy s came over. This chaos went on for about 10-15 minutes before the police came wading in from the tunnel indiscriminately hitting people with truncheons including the people trying to defend their families. This caused people to turn their anger towards the police - and to be honest, while I don't condone their actions, having watched that chaos unfold for 10 minutes, I understood them. What you saw on TV was this last segment of events - not the build up.
Now let me ask you - what can any club do if there are 2-3 people who turn up and just want to have a fight? What more could Millwall as a club have done? We don't control the police. We don't control the stewards. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

 

[Favelado]

He's right. It's been proven that whatever Millwall does to try and curb its problems, it never works. The problem is that Millwall has a hooligan element that will seemingly never go away and is such a brand-name for problems that it acts as a magnet from outside its catchment area for troublemakers too.

There's nothing more the club could have done. That's the problem.

 

[pocketscience]

He's right. It's been proven that whatever Millwall does to try and curb its problems, it never works. The problem is that Millwall has a hooligan element that will seemingly never go away and is such a brand-name for problems that it acts as a magnet from outside its catchment area for troublemakers too.
There's nothing more the club could have done. That's the problem.

NH carnival, student protests, Celtic Rangers old firm games, West Ham, Leeds, Manchester Derby, occupy movement protests, G20 protests, Friday night when the pubs empty in every town high street, school playgrounds...

 

[Favelado]

NH carnival, student protests, Celtic Rangers old firm games, West Ham, Leeds, Manchester Derby, occupy movement protests, G20 protests, Friday night when the pubs empty in every town high street, school playgrounds...

That's a ludicrous defence. Individual and recurring events are not the same thing as an institution that has incorporated hatred and violence into its raison d'etre. You might as well have put "tanks and missiles" in the list as other things that are nasty. West Ham and Leeds are also football clubs that have problems but Millwall are uniquely bad.