Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....

[MillwallShoes]

That's a ludicrous defence. Individual and recurring events are not the same thing as an institution that has incorporated hatred and violence into its raison d'etre. You might as well have put "tanks and missiles" in the list as other things that are nasty. West Ham and Leeds are also football clubs that have problems but Millwall are uniquely bad.

you're such a cringeworthy, pathetic cunt.

 

[MillwallShoes]

proper little, boring, no-joy, wet, jobsworth bore.do you scream and shrill? "BAN IT. GET RID OF IT. I HATE IT."

 

[Favelado]

proper little, boring, no-joy, wet, jobsworth bore.do you scream and shrill? "BAN IT. GET RID OF IT. I HATE IT."

Boring? Show me Millwall's idea of fun. No joy? Show me the joy because I can't find any in your lot.Wet - why? Because I don't like fighting? Jobsworth doesn't even make sense. I'm sorry you're reduced to apologism and ad-hominem attacks. You've based your online person around this troubled club and you're bound to defend them but I think that's a pity. Yeah, I hate Millwall and I wish they didn't exist. It seems a reasonable point of view to me, if a minority one.

 

[pocketscience]

Yeah, I hate Millwall and I wish they didn't exist. It seems a reasonable point of view to me, if a minority one.

Do yourself a favour by adhering to what all good Liverpool fans have preached for years; don't read or listen to the Sun and other Murdoch press outlets. You might just get your irrational hatred and prejudice under control.

 

[Gromit]

There's nothing more the club could have done. That's the problem.

I'm not sure thats true.

Cardiff have had for a long time an exaggerated reputation. The papers love to publicise the troubles of some clubs more than others for reasons I won't speculate on.

Cardiff have been very very successful in reducing our minority of idiots to the lowest levels possible.

How they did it:

1. Not being afraid to ban. They were overly heavy handed with their ban hammer. Plenty of people were banned for minor stuff that other clubs let slide. This resulted in topping the banning league tables which funnily gave us negative PR for dealing with hooligans rather than positive. If everyone else had followed our policies and procedures we would not have topped the banning league table. Not by a long chalk.

2. New stadium. Designed to ensure best separation of home and away fans. Including cunning tactics of saying standers could stand in a designated tolerance area which spookily if as far away from the away supporters as you can get.

3. Electronic ticketing that allows marshals to record infractions against a seat and track it to the owner of said seat. That accountability / traceability acts as a deterrent of sorts. Allows stewards to deal with stuff without having to place themselves in danger and so less scared to report incidents. They just make a note on their machines, walk off and the person gets refused entry by the machines next match.

4. Good police. South Wales police work with the supporters club more than they work against it. They've even backed us when other police forces have been dicks.

 

[where to]

None of that stuff would control things at a Wembley semi though, with 30k tickets plus available and limited control over who gets them. If you team has a rep - bolstered and kept alive in part by media myths and/or media hysteria - rockets will turn up for games like this.

 

[Favelado]

Good post Gromit. If I am wrong about all this - are we in fact seeing the final lashings out of the nasty contingent before the trouble is finally extinguished once and for all?

If you lot had to make a prediction for the state of the club in five or ten years' time, what would it be? Mine's negative but yours might not be and fair enough. Do you think a Cardiff-style improvement will come about or the club's rep will too irresistible to those who want to behave in the way they do?

Do yourself a favour by adhering to what all good Liverpool fans have preached for years; don't read or listen to the Sun and other Murdoch press outlets. You might just get your irrational hatred and prejudice under control.

I already boycott The Sun and ignore the Murdoch press so irrelevant advice.

 

[TopCat]

I don't hate you. Just fuck you for that one aspect of your life. I'll still buy you an Irn-Bru or a Cornish pasty one day.

i'll ram that fucking pastie up your tight arse without any fucking lube you muggy cunt.

 

[Favelado]

i'll ram that fucking pastie up your tight arse without out any fucking lube you muggy cunt.

It'll just get squashed. You'd be better off with the IRN-BRU. It'll be a bit of a stretch but might just get it up there. I've seen it done on Redtube once.

 

[TopCat]

i'll make it fit.

 

[Pickman's model]

It'll just get squashed. You'd be better off with the IRN-BRU. It'll be a bit of a stretch but might just get it up there. I've seen it done on Redtube once.

perhaps the pastie could be rammed up and then a can of irn-bru used to keep the item in place.

 

[MillwallShoes]

or put the pasty into the iron bru can and then pop it up there.

 

[pocketscience]

I already boycott The Sun and ignore the Murdoch press so irrelevant advice.

For that, you do a fine job mimicking their sensationalism.

 

[MillwallShoes]

For that, you do a fine job mimicking their sensationalism.

pocket any ideas on what do with the iron bru and pasty and fav's anus?

 

[ViolentPanda]

He's right. It's been proven that whatever Millwall does to try and curb its problems, it never works. The problem is that Millwall has a hooligan element that will seemingly never go away and is such a brand-name for problems that it acts as a magnet from outside its catchment area for troublemakers too.

There's nothing more the club could have done. That's the problem.

The problem is generally that the clubs can't exert enough pressure against "fans" that act up. Used to be that some clubs would take the law into their own hands, as it were, and cancel the season tickets of repeat aggro merchants, but that only worked for the tiny minority who hold season tickets. Many clubs do as much as they possibly can - picture-lists of banned hoolies, etc, but there does seem to be an attitude from some clubs that it's a police problem, not a club propblem, when in fact it's a problem for both of them and for genuine supporters.
And that's without getting into genuine fans who kick off at OB stupidity and aggression, etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

NH carnival, student protests, Celtic Rangers old firm games, West Ham, Leeds, Manchester Derby, occupy movement protests, G20 protests, Friday night when the pubs empty in every town high street, school playgrounds...

Fair points, all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Beef is that the club has been a source of violence and racism for the best part of 4 decades and seems unable to get its shit together. This season alone there have been crowd problems in away games and at Wembley. There is a problem with racism at the club and there is a far-right agenda amongst a section of support that led to an attack on anarchists today.

It would be better if Millwall didn't exist.

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...saturday-13-april-trafalgar-sq.308694/page-18

To paraphrase another poster, "Millwall FC. No-one likes us. Not even us."




*edited* i took something erroneous out about links.

I'm a WHUFC fan, so normally have fuck-all good to say about Millwall, but you're making out that a sport-wide problem would somehow be massively diminished if only Millwall didn't exist, and frankly, that's bollocks. Close down Millwall, and the handful of scrotes who commit violent stupidity in the club's name will morph into Chelsea or Fulham or Charlton or even QPR "supporters", in fact "supporters" of any team where they might find a bit of pre-, during or post-game aggro.

 

[ViolentPanda]

do you hate every club who's fans exhibits violence and racism? who do you support again?

I can't even see his point in hating the club, rather than the scumbags.

 

[Favelado]

Thanks for decent counter-argument VP. I appreciate what you say in those posts.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So Millwall fought with Millwall, West Ham and the police at Wembley, against the police and anarchists at Trafalgar Sq, against the anarchists at Whitechapel?

Was there anyone in London who didn't fight with Millwall yesterday?

The archbishop of Canterbury.
But that's because he was busy rehearsing not laughing as he intones the holy words over Thatcher's remains.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a ludicrous defence. Individual and recurring events are not the same thing as an institution that has incorporated hatred and violence into its raison d'etre. You might as well have put "tanks and missiles" in the list as other things that are nasty. West Ham and Leeds are also football clubs that have problems but Millwall are uniquely bad.

If you're going to condemn a club for "hooliganism as inoperable cancer", there's a fair few you need to be condemning alongside Millwall, and not just West Ham or Leeds, either. I don't know how old you are, but I can remember actively avoiding going to Merseyside aways, because it was like a scene out of "The Warriors" trying to get out of Liverpool if you missed the "official police escort" to the station after the match. It wasn't much better going to Stamford Bridge, to be fair. At least once you were out of The Den (and the new Den) you didn't really have to worry about some fuckhead with a razor or a Stanley trying to carve you, let alone being jumped well away from the ground.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do yourself a favour by adhering to what all good Liverpool fans have preached for years; don't read or listen to the Sun and other Murdoch press outlets. You might just get your irrational hatred and prejudice under control.

TBF, if you're a Liverpool supporter, there are better people to hate, as you say.
Even Everton supporters if you're prepared to sink quite low.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm not sure thats true.

Cardiff have had for a long time an exaggerated reputation. The papers love to publicise the troubles of some clubs more than others for reasons I won't speculate on.

Cardiff have been very very successful in reducing our minority of idiots to the lowest levels possible.

How they did it:

1. Not being afraid to ban. They were overly heavy handed with their ban hammer. Plenty of people were banned for minor stuff that other clubs let slide. This resulted in topping the banning league tables which funnily gave us negative PR for dealing with hooligans rather than positive. If everyone else had followed our policies and procedures we would not have topped the banning league table. Not by a long chalk.

2. New stadium. Designed to ensure best separation of home and away fans. Including cunning tactics of saying standers could stand in a designated tolerance area which spookily if as far away from the away supporters as you can get.

3. Electronic ticketing that allows marshals to record infractions against a seat and track it to the owner of said seat. That accountability / traceability acts as a deterrent of sorts. Allows stewards to deal with stuff without having to place themselves in danger and so less scared to report incidents. They just make a note on their machines, walk off and the person gets refused entry by the machines next match.

4. Good police. South Wales police work with the supporters club more than they work against it. They've even backed us when other police forces have been dicks.

Never thought I'd see the words "good police" and "South Wales police" in the same sentence!

 

[ViolentPanda]

i'll ram that fucking pastie up your tight arse without any fucking lube you muggy cunt.

he said, perpetuating the stereotype of Millwall supporters!!

 

[Favelado]

If you're going to condemn a club for "hooliganism as inoperable cancer", there's a fair few you need to be condemning alongside Millwall, and not just West Ham or Leeds, either. I don't know how old you are, but I can remember actively avoiding going to Merseyside aways, because it was like a scene out of "The Warriors" trying to get out of Liverpool if you missed the "official police escort" to the station after the match. It wasn't much better going to Stamford Bridge, to be fair. At least once you were out of The Den (and the new Den) you didn't really have to worry about some fuckhead with a razor or a Stanley trying to carve you, let alone being jumped well away from the ground.

Using your inoperable cancer metaphor - the majority of other clubs did undergo successful surgery didn't they? Or at least largely so with only small episodes of remission. My issue with Millwall is that they seem to have spanned decades in this way, still continuing until now. They were among the worst back then and they are still the worst now. Even looking at recent arrest stats it seems to be Millwall and Leeds that have the biggest problems. As recently as 2004 I was threatened in Fulham Broadway shopping centre on a weekday at 3pm for having an LFC scarf in inclement weather so you're not wrong about Stamford Bridge! I was a kid in the '80s so I certainly wasn't going to away games then. I can't fight for toffee so I would have got battered if football would have carried on being the weekend punch-up it used to be.

The point about The Warriors would also be apt when taking into account the number of afros on display, albeit of a different kind.

 

[editor]

Cardiff has made huge strides to hoof out the hoolies, although you'll never get rid of al the nutters (although I wouldn't be surprised if some have drifted off following the rebranding debacle).

During the 2009-10 season police forces across the country arrested 117 City fans while last season only 44 arrests were made.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/home-office-figures-show-cardiff-1802205

 

[where to]

arrest stats will be distorted by pre-match policing decisions though. Leeds Millwall and games like it will generate a huge arrest-if-they-breath style police presence. yes those policing decisions are indicative of fears surrounding certain supports, but they are not proof of anything.

 

[editor]

arrest stats will be distorted by pre-match policing decisions though. Leeds Millwall and games like it will generate a huge arrest-if-they-breath style police presence.

As would Cardiff games which were often the only category A game in their division.

 

[RaverDrew]

Millwall is probably the safest away day for ANY fan. There's even a seperate fenced off walkway that takes away fans straight from the station to the stadium.

Yes they do have higher proportion of idiots compared to most clubs, but most are all mouth and no trousers.

 

[editor]

Millwall is probably the safest away day for ANY fan.

It can also be one of the most miserable if it ends up as a bubble match.