Middle class anxiety

[Pickman's model]

Well, she won't. It's just a nonsense article in a nonsense paper, a drunk dinner-party conversation unwisely written up the next morning. But what stops it being a proposal with legs isn't some sort of high minded question of constitutional legitimacy, it's that it wouldn't get anything more than a handful of MPs prepared to support it in parliament.

10 tops, including lucas

 

[Proper Tidy]

Anyway it might be a bollocks dinner party discussion put in print and completely unworkable and unfeasible... but it's what it says about their politics. They know best.

 

[killer b]

Who doesn't think they know best though? Surely that's the essence of politics. Vote for me, because I know best.

 

[chilango]

Surely that's the essence of politics. Vote for me, because I know best.

Except they're skipping the first part of that.

 

[killer b]

this is starting to feel a bit circular.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

this is starting to feel a bit circular.

Jesus nooooooooooo anything but circular! But aye, if you keep ignoring the obvious and people have to keep restating it it will feel circular.

 

[killer b]

if you keep ignoring the obvious

I'm not doing this. I honestly don't understand why there would be a deficit in legitimacy for a government cobbled together from a load of parties partway through a parliament, but a government cobbled together from a couple of parties at the start of a parliament is ok.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I'm not doing this. I honestly don't understand why there would be a deficit in legitimacy for a government cobbled together from a load of parties partway through a parliament, but a government cobbled together from a couple of parties at the start of a parliament is ok.

When you put it like that it sounds dead reasonable but you know fine it would be a cunts move. People expect a coalition of sorts when it’s a hung parliament don’t they, this would be a different thing entirely. But I presently can’t think of a way to word it that won’t fail the strictly academic test IYSWIM.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I'm not doing this. I honestly don't understand why there would be a deficit in legitimacy for a government cobbled together from a load of parties partway through a parliament, but a government cobbled together from a couple of parties at the start of a parliament is ok.

And, if we are at the stage that the parliament needs desperately reordering, why *wouldn’t* you just do it via a GE.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don’t support Corbyn’s call today to be caretaker PM after a vonc but before a GE either. Nope. Hold a GE you chancer.

 

[killer b]

I don’t support Corbyn’s call today to be caretaker PM after a vonc but before a GE either. Nope. Hold a GE you chancer.

I think he's mostly just trolling the lib dems tbf

 

[chilango]

It's a theme in Traverso's book on populism...the "extreme centre"'s offer to capital is to bypass politics and substitute governance for government.

He talks about impolitics too. But I haven't quite got my head around that bit.

...but all this stuff links to both m/c anxiety, invocation of crisis and to the rise of both populism and the "beyond tribalism" push from the centre.

 

[sleaterkinney]

And, if we are at the stage that the parliament needs desperately reordering, why *wouldn’t* you just do it via a GE.

Is there time to do that before brexit?

 

[danny la rouge]

It's a theme in Traverso's book on populism...the extreme centre's offer to capital is to bypass politics a d substitute governance for government.

Haven’t got found to it yet. I need a physical copy and waiting for UC payment.

 

[chilango]

Haven’t got found to it yet. I need a physical copy and waiting for UC payment.

I ought to posting about the Revelli book on t'other thread but instead have plunged straight into the next one. Sorry

 

[ViolentPanda]

All the salads and always lashings of garlick sauce

No chilli sauce?

Middle class wanker!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Really, the card I mean? Fucking incredible.

Kind of the epitome of (self)-congratulation, isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fuck cherry tomatoes...

Technically very difficult, unless you have a Stephen Yaxley Lennon-type micro-dick.

 

[ViolentPanda]

what is your relationship to the means of production?

His uncle owns the factory.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am the means of production.

Ah, you sell your jizz and blood, and maybe the occasional internal organ.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was brought up definitely middle class, but as I so infrequently mix with middle class people, and went to a Polytechnic rather than a University, class wise I am in a rather dissatisfying limbo.

anyone who uses the phrase 'a rather dissatisfying limbo' has made it clear where they stand

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah, you sell your jizz and blood, and maybe the occasional internal organ.

and his turds for other people to renew their bowel bacteria no doubt

 

[8ball]

Ah, you sell your jizz and blood, and maybe the occasional internal organ.

All out of kidneys if that's what you're after.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It annoys me that it's assumed working class people don't post on here.

Well, certain of the...what we might call the post-Trot (as in "used to be a member of the SWP at uni") middle class left presume to be able to detect "working class people" simply by their posts. This appears to be a follow-on from the old presumption that the working class can't possibly be educated enough to articulate how they are socio-economically oppressed, therefore: Any poster MUST be middle class.

 

[8ball]

Well, certain of the...what we might call the post-Trot (as in "used to be a member of the SWP at uni") middle class left presume to be able to detect "working class people" simply by their posts. This appears to be a follow-on from the old presumption that the working class can't possibly be educated enough to articulate how they are socio-economically oppressed, therefore: Any poster MUST be middle class.

innit

 

[ViolentPanda]

All out of kidneys if that's what you're after.

Bollocks! Damn! Blast!

Oh well, back to the waiting list, I suppose.

 

[ViolentPanda]

innit

Ah, one of ernesto's favourite expressions for not-so-subtly implying his non-existent proletarian heritage.

 

[8ball]

Ah, one of ernesto's favourite expressions for not-so-subtly implying his non-existent proletarian heritage.

I assume lynch and not Guevara.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're not funny but you think you are. Mind you, I liked your post stating working class people don't often experience othering by middle class people if they mainly live in working class areas. That was funny.

Sadly, I see it every day, when SOME of the local middle class people walk through my estate on the way to the local park. The looks they give to my neighbours and their kids, for daring to be loud, boisterous and not white, it's barefacedly insulting. I suspect these are the same people I see on Tulse Hill (main local thoroughfare) crossing the road if they see a group of black kids walking towards them. If you're wondering, this is a recent phenomenon, last 5 yrs or so. It's almost as if those that move here because the area is supposedly (editor 's least favourite phrase) "edgy and vibrant", can't actually take the "edginess" unless it's watered down to suit their sensitive palettes.

 

[Pickman's model]

I assume lynch and not Guevara.

see 'venecermos!', a collection of guevara's writings, where 'innit' crops up with depressing frequency in his speeches