Massive rises in unemployment: Do we need to talk about Eva?

[_angel_]

Friend of mine works in a factory in Poland which was moved from Ireland a decade ago. Now the talk is of moving it to Vietnam.

how is this a good thing?

 

[bi0boy]

how is this a good thing?

Vietnamese people get jobs at the expense of their wealthier foreign compatriots, it must be bad, right?

 

[treelover]

mmm... satire...

 

[Kizmet]

In answer to the OP... no, we don't need to talk about Eva, or irina or olga.

The problems with massive rises in unemployment aren't influenced by immigration specifically. They are to do with a structure that predominantly exists to service itself.

The interesting point to me is that there are millions of people not specifically working on designated tasks and yet there are clearly many many jobs still to be done. Not fucking bar work, but jobs in care and emergency services.

The question is why are we not hiring people to do those jobs?

 

[Fruitloop]

It's important though. This is a really new and unprecedented thing. We must form an opinion right away.

 

[_angel_]

Bad news for poland and ireland tho. Unless you really think people should leave their home country to serve capitalism better.

 

[Kizmet]

If only we could keep the poor on their foreign farms...

Are we running short on poor?

 

[treelover]

In answer to the OP... no, we don't need to talk about Eva, or irina or olga.

The problems with massive rises in unemployment aren't influenced by immigration specifically. They are to do with a structure that predominantly exists to service itself.

The interesting point to me is that there are millions of people not specifically working on designated tasks and yet there are clearly many many jobs still to be done. Not fucking bar work, but jobs in care and emergency services.

The question is why are we not hiring people to do those jobs?

I said all that about creating well needed jobs in the OP, I am talking about a crisis happening now...

 

[Fruitloop]

Did you read the link I posted? What do you think of it?

 

[Belushi]

how is this a good thing?

It isn't. It is illustrative of the point that the problem isn't ordinary people who just want a job to get by.

 

[_angel_]

Been trying to quote kizmet unsuccessfully now. its not like cameron wants to employ public sector workers let alone in the nhs, is it. my friends husband is a nurse who cant find fulltime work in liverpool.

 

[bi0boy]

I said all that about creating well needed jobs in the OP, I am talking about a crisis happening now...

What's needed is some kneejerk legislation.

 

[_angel_]

I am slightly amazed that so many so called lefties totally embrace free markets and globalisation like this.

 

[Belushi]

What we need is a scapegoat, something the whole country can rally round.

 

[Belushi]

Not capitalism though, that's just the politics of envy.

 

[bi0boy]

Not capitalism though, that's just the politics of envy.

How about we make certain people illegal?

 

[Kizmet]

Been trying to quote kizmet unsuccessfully now. its not like cameron wants to employ public sector workers let alone in the nhs, is it. my friends husband is a nurse who cant find fulltime work in liverpool.

Well yes, that's my point, kinda. These are jobs that need doing and they're not the jobs particularly going to immigrants... except in situations where there is a shortage of skilled workers.

Why have we got a million unemployed kids and millions of sick, needy or elderly people who need help? Why have we got shitty streets and no go areas when there are people living there who could, given the right support, make them better places to live?

Because there is no will to implement those systems.

 

[Fruitloop]

I am slightly amazed that so many so called lefties totally embrace free markets and globalisation like this.

I don't think that's what's going on. Who is embracing those things?

 

[Captain Hurrah]

What is an entry level job though? That implies that it's an entry to something worthwhile. Those are not in general the jobs that Svetlanas are taking.

Indeed. The idea that these are entry level jobs to something better later on is largely a load of bollocks. And I've been working 'entry level' jobs all my working life. And I must say I feel sorry for the dole-fucked youth, disadvantaged or graduate, doing my job for fuck all except for what they should be entitled to in the first place. And I think perhaps the immigrants I work with (Latvian, Indian and Filipino) would agree.

 

[treelover]

'It isn't. It is illustrative of the point that the problem isn't ordinary people who just want a job to get by.'

I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just asking for an open discusion on the issue

 

[treelover]

'Why have we got a million unemployed kids and millions of sick, needy or elderly people who need help? Why have we got shitty streets and no go areas when there are people living there who could, given the right support, make them better places to live?'
Because there is no will to implement those systems.'

with the eurozone, its possible any new jobs would actually go to new EU migrants, there are now 23 million people unemployed in the Eurozone, all will be looking for work...

this is a fact, not a Tobyjug one, I'm not saying kick people out just want to scrutinise it on here...

 

[Kizmet]

Those 23 million have quite a commute on their hands.

Locality should be an advantage when it comes to employment.

 

[Kizmet]

I think you're showing too much concern for the fate of the McJob... in my opinion there are too many of them as it is.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Wish everyone would stop harking back to the 1990s figures. It was a lot worse when I left school in 1982. Don't see that get a mention

 

[bi0boy]

Wish everyone would stop harking back to the 1990s figures. It was a lot worse when I left school in 1982. Don't see that get a mention

You didn't have to compete with hordes of eager continental types willing to do more work for less money than you.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You didn't have to compete with hordes of eager continental types willing to do more work for less money than you.

That's true, but barely anyone got to go to University either

and we didn't have cheap clothes shops/food shops/£1 shops either

 

[chemn]

I have a friend who's Slovakian who works as an office manager at a consultancy. The two English girls who work under the office manager are useless and constantly fuck things up....

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix

 

[scifisam]

I don't think that's what's going on. Who is embracing those things?

Maybe they're not really, but it looks like it in this thread.

It's ridiculous though. If you bring more people into the labour market, you shouldn't then act surprised that the pre-existing labour market finds things a lot tougher.

There's nothing at all we can do about it though. The EU borders are open, the individual workers are doing nothing that we wouldn't do in their place, and there's no going back.

I have a friend who's Slovakian who works as an office manager at a consultancy. The two English girls who work under the office manager are useless and constantly fuck things up....

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix

Yeah. That kind of reverse xenophobia is really helpful.

 

[captainmission]

I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just asking for an open discusion on the issue

good tip here treelover, if you want to start discussion why not actually say something? Like what you think on the issue? or what the solutions is? or i what you think the state should do? or what the you think we as workers should do? you know, abit more than saying 'can't we have an open discussion' followed by a void in which to insinuate about polish sounding girls.

 

[treelover]

er, thats the whole point, i wanted views, always respected you since we met in manc many years ago, but I'm sorry but the void is in the lefts blind spot to the effects on youth and the working class in relation to the above...