Massive rises in unemployment: Do we need to talk about Eva?

[Boycey]

What have you got against, Eva?

she short changed me the other day in sainsbury's.

 

[temper_tantrum]

I have a friend called Eva. I think she'd be a bit offended if you suggested that there was a problem with her, however.

 

[Fruitloop]

http://cynicuseconomicus.blogspot.com/2011/10/price-of-unskilled-labour.html

 

[GEN.Eccentric]

Бyou dont think employers are deliberately driving down pay?

Definitely but I dont equate that to Johnny Foreigner taking our jobs it would happen anyway they are just taking the lowest relative paid jos working in central london and other cities earning peanuuts living in crowded conditions theyre taking the slack up that would otherwise be filled by the young unemployed here doesnt mean they are better off just because they have a job with no security and terrible pay and conditions.

 

[Belushi]

Large numbers of young people from the old Eastern bloc have been a fixture in London for well over a decade now

 

[treelover]

Yes, but now the 'young unemployed' are going to be forced to work for even less under the work programme, etc...

 

[Kizmet]

she short changed me the other day in sainsbury's.

Crikey, she's fallen a long way since her wonderbra days. Models have such a short shelf life.

 

[Belushi]

That's hardly the fault of immigrants.

 

[Kizmet]

Yes, but now the 'young unemployed' are going to be forced to work for even less under the work programme, etc...

Did you really expect this government to honour the minimum wage?

 

[treelover]

Belushi, say the unspoken , in central london, are young people who were born there getting entry level jobs or not and what is their future, workfare? benefits won't be an option soon...

 

[Fruitloop]

What is an entry level job though? That implies that it's an entry to something worthwhile. Those are not in general the jobs that Svetlanas are taking.

 

[_angel_]

Its not just young people being forced to work for nowt. Love the way the guardian suddenly care about this now.When it was lab policy it was all great.

 

[Boycey]

Belushi, say the unspoken , in central london, are young people who were born there getting entry level jobs or not and what is their future, workfare? benefits won't be an option soon...

what do you mean by entry level job?

 

[frogwoman]

Who says that no immigrants have worked for shitty jobs below minimum wage? What makes you think that they're not going to work on something equivalent to the wages of the "work programme" or worse, or that no immigrants are unemployed? I worked in a homeless shelter a few years ago and there had been a huge increase, even then, of homeless Polish and other Eastern European people who'd moved here expecting to find work and been unable to find any.

 

[Belushi]

Belushi, say the unspoken , in central london, are young people who were born there getting entry level jobs or not and what is their future, workfare? benefits won't be an option soon...

Again, how is this the fault of immigrants?

 

[GEN.Eccentric]

Belushi, say the unspoken , in central london, are young people who were born there getting entry level jobs or not and what is their future, workfare? benefits won't be an option soon...

Why are you conflating this with people who have moved from eastern europe 'taking all the jobs'? You do realise how crap the conditions are in the jobs migrants take?

 

[Belushi]

And of course millions of British Citizens are busy stealing jobs abroad

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6210358.stm

 

[Kizmet]

that's not his point, though.

 

[Fruitloop]

What is his point?

 

[Belushi]

It's 'unspoken' apparently.

 

[bi0boy]

Belushi, say the unspoken , in central london, are young people who were born there getting entry level jobs or not and what is their future, workfare?.

They could move to Poland and work in an Ikea factory.

 

[Kizmet]

It's 'unspoken' apparently.

The bigotry that dare not speak its name....

 

[_angel_]

They could move to Poland and work in an Ikea factory.

The ghost of norman tebbit lives on!

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Are these east European workers directly employed or are they agency workers? If they are agency workers you cannot really blame their places of work unless you then question why these companies prefer to to use agency workers rather than their own directly employed workers. Many agencies using foreign workers of a particular nationality were set up & are run by people of that same nationality & 'look after' ie provide accommodation for these workers. These agencies are not necessarily in the business of employing workers of UK nationality.

 

[Fruitloop]

On yer plane

 

[Belushi]

Friend of mine works in a factory in Poland which was moved from Ireland a decade ago. Now the talk is of moving it to Vietnam.

 

[bi0boy]

Friend of mine works in a factory in Poland which was moved from Ireland a decade ago. Now the talk is of moving it to Vietnam.

He better gtfo. Vietnamese jobs for Vietnamese workers!

 

[Kizmet]

Ah the joys of open markets.

 

[rover07]

Friend of mine works in a factory in Poland which was moved from Ireland a decade ago. Now the talk is of moving it to Vietnam.

Thats a loooong bike ride.

 

[bi0boy]

Ah the joys of open markets.

If only we could keep the poor on their foreign farms...