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Mass stabbing at Southport Kids’ Club 29/7/24

Statement from the police.


"Yesterday, our officers and other members of the emergency services were faced with one of the most difficult situations they will ever face. Tonight, they find themselves being attacked as they endeavor to prevent disorder.

“The actions in Southport tonight will involve many people who do not live in the Merseyside area or care about the people of Merseyside.

“There has been much speculation and hypothesis around the status of a 17-year-old male who is currently in police custody and some individuals are using this to bring violence and disorder to our streets.

“We have already said that the person arrested was born in the UK and speculation helps nobody at this time.

“Our officers should not have to face this, but we will be there tonight to ensure the safety of the local community who have suffered enough, and will arrest those involved in criminal behavior.”


 
RevolutionSound said:
We don't know do we? I'm just pointing out that planning does not preclude psychosis.
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Absolutely, but being clinically psychotic (and indeed detainable under the Mental Health Act) doesn't mean someone is legally able to claim manslaughter due to diminished responsibility. You have to be unwell to an extent that you were unaware that what you were doing was wrong and that's a much higher bar to clear.

We'll no doubt find out more in time. For now, what a god awful tragedy.
 
trashpony said:
RevolutionSound the point I was making was not that he ordered a taxi but that he didn’t attack the taxi driver, or the blokes he talked to once he got out of the taxi. He knew exactly where the class was being held which was not visible from the street and he deliberately went there to carry out his murderous rampage of little girls.

He may have been psychotic, he may not. But he definitely targeted his victims.
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Indeed he did target his victims. I was responding to your point about thinking mental health isn't an excuse (or whatever it was exactly, I can't remember your exact words). No need to roll your eyes.
 
scifisam said:
You did, maybe without meaning to. Trashy was talking about whether this was an opportunist attack, not about psychosis. They are not the same topic.
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No, I was responding to her general point about mental health and being able to premeditate. Maybe a misunderstanding but no need for the arsey response.
 
agricola said:
"Genuine anger" my arse. There are probably cops getting bricks hurled at them right now who were rescuing little girls who'd been stabbed yesterday.

The sense of entitlement, to even pretend that someone has been so emotionally damaged by "witnessing" this on Twitter and in the news that they are justified to travel to Southport and riot over - and this is to give them the widest possible benefit of the doubt - their interpretation of what went on (which at the moment appears to be utterly disconnected from what actually happened), is staggering.
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If you read what I’ve actually written you’ll see that my point is that there is genuine anger across Britain at the murders that the far right will seek to capitalise on. My point was not that those rioting are motivated by genuine anger.
 
We lose children in an incomprehensible tragedy.

And then boneheaded wankers besmirch their memories and disregard their grieving families by trying to provoke some sort of race war.

Would those children understand why these people are doing this? And supposedly in their name?

RIP kids :(
 
Smokeandsteam said:
If you read what I’ve actually written you’ll see that my point is that there is genuine anger across Britain at the murders that the far rigjt will seek to capitalise on. My point was not that those rioting are motivated by genuine anger.
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This "genuine anger" is what motivates the bulk of the rioters though. This pretense that they have suffered from this too and so they must do something about it; of course the targets that they choose to be angry at reveal that they aren't genuinely angry about this at all.
 
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