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All I got from that guardian piece is that she smokes and thinks small penises are funny.
Mary Wollstonecraft memorial statue provokes mixed reaction
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TopCat
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It wasnt the usual gushing style from the Guardian.
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Starry Wisdom
People who actually fucking try what?
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Starry Wisdom
Creative process of writers (in 21st Century)
What is the creative process of writers? How the literature stars of our time produce their creativity? How to start writing and how to keep it going? Let’s start with the writer who b…
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Here several authors mention how they're not in control of what they write, how the destination is uncertain when they start. It's the same with other sculptors, Michelangelo said every block of marble has a sculpture within it and it's the sculptor's task to discover it. The creative process isn't thankfully like writing a shopping list, it's er creative, and I suppose each of us approaches creative tasks differently. I'm not sure where when I start writing something it will end up (something being from a leaflet to an article), and I'm often surprised myself.
But whether the design of something is carefully and deliberately brought out in stages of emerges from God knows where I don't think it has any bearing on whether artists (of whatever sort) should be paid. They've done the work. They've brought forth something only they would have done. Same with band photos like the ones editor posted about garbage trying to blag for free a while back.
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh once again it's blame the artist and ignore the role of the commissioners
the response to the statue i'm making is barbie sized and metal as well, and is going to cost forty quid. i could get three and a half thousand of my things melted into a blob and top it off with an intact one for the same price of the wollstonecraft sculpture, if anyone wants to chuck the money my way...
i'm really pissed off with the commissioners too, i just haven't thumpy typed about them yet
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Starry Wisdom
Sure there's been time enough for you to venti'm really pissed off with the commissioners too, i just haven't thumpy typed about them yet
i did turn the air blue when one of the comissioners (bee?) was on newsnight when it all got unveiled.
i've done the 'if i were the artist' radge, so...
if i were a comissioner....
i'd have asked for only women artists to submit. i'd have asked the community the statue is going to be hosted by what they thought about chosen designs, as well as the community it's meant to be representing - so not jusrt members or funders of the mary on the green project.. i'd have publicised the thing more widely to avoid being stuck in a choice between hambling and jennings.
i wouldn't have gone ahead with the project, tbh, based on the two submissions on the shortlist.
i like the benchy one that could have been, but again, i'm being stubborn on the woman artist criteria.
maggie's oscar wilde bench and martin jennings' wollstonecraft sculpture proposal remind me a bit of the sculpture of alan turing in manchester - i always made time to sit and have a cuppa with him on visits there
back to the nudity theme, encompassing commissioners and artists, and conflating ALL the sculptures i've just mentioned, i don't think i'd have been as happy sitting by him for a brew if he'd had his knob out.
i've done the 'if i were the artist' radge, so...
if i were a comissioner....
i'd have asked for only women artists to submit. i'd have asked the community the statue is going to be hosted by what they thought about chosen designs, as well as the community it's meant to be representing - so not jusrt members or funders of the mary on the green project.. i'd have publicised the thing more widely to avoid being stuck in a choice between hambling and jennings.
i wouldn't have gone ahead with the project, tbh, based on the two submissions on the shortlist.
i like the benchy one that could have been, but again, i'm being stubborn on the woman artist criteria.
maggie's oscar wilde bench and martin jennings' wollstonecraft sculpture proposal remind me a bit of the sculpture of alan turing in manchester - i always made time to sit and have a cuppa with him on visits there
back to the nudity theme, encompassing commissioners and artists, and conflating ALL the sculptures i've just mentioned, i don't think i'd have been as happy sitting by him for a brew if he'd had his knob out.
SpookyFrank
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To make something that isn't shit? Or at least to take credit for it if you do make something shit, and not just palm responsibility off to 'the subject' when it certainly wasn't the subject that cashed the cheque.
in terms of experience of art commissioners, i used to be the person in my council's corporate procurement department who did the tender openings for everything including public art commissions. The whole thing verged on ceremonial and weird - i had to go to the town hall with a corresponding officer and do the opening envelopes/double witnessing them, and recording them in a ledger that looked like it had been in use since dickens' time.
i opened the Bradford Mirror Pool tender, which i wasn't sure about in terms of public value and community cohesion, but it turned out to be fucking brilliant. my profile photo is of something that happened on it years later, and it's great for a paddle in the summer.
if i'd have been tender opening the Wollstonecraft statue, i would have looked at Hambling's submission documents and eaten them there and then to prevent it being inflicted on The People.
i opened the Bradford Mirror Pool tender, which i wasn't sure about in terms of public value and community cohesion, but it turned out to be fucking brilliant. my profile photo is of something that happened on it years later, and it's great for a paddle in the summer.
if i'd have been tender opening the Wollstonecraft statue, i would have looked at Hambling's submission documents and eaten them there and then to prevent it being inflicted on The People.
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Starry Wisdom
And how are you defining shit?
SpookyFrank
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Looks like someone literally polished a turd?
I sometimes get that with moving numbers round spreadsheets too tbf
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
But are the numbers moving you?
muscovyduck
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It's all the same thing. Bar assistants get it to for example. It's part of why the bullshit-ification of jobs is such a problem, no one can get in the flow any more cuz they're too distracted by other shit they might have to do
i once had a fever dream that i was a flashing red cell in the middle of a spreadsheet that had only green cells on it apart from me.
i think you'll find hambling describes that as 'organic matter'.
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The Goverment still sends official war artists out most of their work. ends up in the imperial war museum as not suitable for the officers mess being more artistic than our boys joyfully bayoneting Johhny foreigner. Had to help move a huge picture once as somebody decided the Italians might be offended by it. Theres also a few jobbing artists who turn up and paid by suitable paintings and flogg prints as well.
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Starry Wisdom
I'm surprised you're so emotionally invested in this statue. Tell you what, do us a design, a sketch, show us something you'd do given the same brief (in essence a statue for Mary Wollstonecraft) so the urban critics can compare your effort to hambling's. I'll be interested to see what you come up with.
SpookyFrank
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I've already come up with the groundbreaking 'something that's not shit' concept so I've already put more thought into this than Hambling did.
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Starry Wisdom
So you say. Now put pen to paper and show us what your 'something not shit' would look like. Put at least as much effort into it as hambling did.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm not a sculptor and have no ideas or talent pertinent to this task. Unlike Hambling, I did not consider this a sound basis on which to bid for the work.
There's that 'actually we need more representations of naked women' take again.
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Starry Wisdom
do you think about what you read or just look at it, because from where I'm sitting you think you've made a clever point but you haven't. Throughout this thread there's been much shit thrown at hambling but not, as I've observed several times, at the commissioning committee. I think this is unfair tho you appear to be all for it. you blithely ignore what I said in the post and invent an opinion I neither hold nor feel i have given you any grounds to hold, which is to be blunt fuckwitted.
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Starry Wisdom
I'm not asking you to bid for the work. Obviously. Nor am I asking you to sculpt. I'm asking you to sketch what you consider a superior design
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