bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It is institutionally reckless, though - or at least, it used to be.
BBC Eric Gill paedo statue attacked
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Maybe. Sometimes you don't realise you were being reckless until later.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It's not really true, but I've found club nights to be more relaxed about playing the Jackson Five numbers than Michael's stuff.
Which is interesting.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I think a lot of MJ fans run with the "allegations weren't proven / the accusers were just in it for the money" rationale, whereas that doesn't really work if the subject is in prison e.g. Ian Watkins, where even diehard Lostprophets fans threw in the towel immediately upon conviction.
Curiouscarl
Active Member
Mother-of-two Ms Edwards said she went to a 'man with headphones' and asked him: 'He's just put his hand up behind me and I didn't like it.' But she claimed that the man told her: 'Oh go away, that's just Jimmy, go away.'
I don't think they're in favour of, being caught.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
If i didn’t know about Gill…
I think his work is beautiful. So if it’s time, that Art Deco smoothing of the human form. I think “Ariel” separated from its maker, is a phenomenal piece. The Ariel figure never read as child to me, until I found out about Gill.
And, we’re it not Gill’s work, I don’t especially find naked children in art offensive. The renaissance loved a cherub or a nymph or a Christ-child.
But. Shitty Eric Gill. Awful rapist of his own daughters. The status afforded to this work”pride of place” is inappropriate. The collision of child figure and child rapist is too coincidental to hand wave away.
I would not destroy it. Damaging art feels a little like burning books. Worse because there isn’t a warehouse full of copies. But a museum, or gallery setting. With appropriate context given.
I think his work is beautiful. So if it’s time, that Art Deco smoothing of the human form. I think “Ariel” separated from its maker, is a phenomenal piece. The Ariel figure never read as child to me, until I found out about Gill.
And, we’re it not Gill’s work, I don’t especially find naked children in art offensive. The renaissance loved a cherub or a nymph or a Christ-child.
But. Shitty Eric Gill. Awful rapist of his own daughters. The status afforded to this work”pride of place” is inappropriate. The collision of child figure and child rapist is too coincidental to hand wave away.
I would not destroy it. Damaging art feels a little like burning books. Worse because there isn’t a warehouse full of copies. But a museum, or gallery setting. With appropriate context given.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
There's plenty of art that's not actually on display. This sculpture should probably gather dust in a basement. There are enough photos.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not that weird really. Look at all the Ancient Greek and Egyptian statues that had their nobs chiselled out by Christians.
I'm not particularly going to defend keeping the Gill statue, but I think people need to be careful about cheering on this idiot given the sentiment that lies behind the actions. It smacks of old-fashioned puritanism more than anything else. Do they object to Gill the child abuser or do they just want to attack a public statue with nudity and a penis?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Intention matters. Sometimes. I guess..
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I clearly don't feel the same way as some others here regarding the offensiveness of the statue's continuing public presence. I can see both sides, but I also think this is an example of a rather slippery slope when reevaluating the lives of long-dead artists.
I've seen spurious comparisons drawn with the Colston statue coming down, but afaic these are completely different matters - one a sculpture by a child abuser and rapist (only later found out); the other a statue celebrating a slave trader. I see little equivalence between the two cases, but I suspect those that defaced the Gill statue probably wouldn't have done it had it not been for the Colston case. The equivalence is spurious, while the way they went straight for the penis is revealing.
The intentions of those who put up the Colston statue matter - they knew all about where his money came from and they wanted to celebrate him nonetheless. The intentions of those who commissioned the Gill sculpture matter - they didn't know about Gill's crimes and presumably would not have commissioned him if they had. The intentions of Gill himself matter as well, but are harder to ascertain. And also, the intentions of those pulling down/defacing the statues matter.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Statue of naked child made by infamous child abuser standing above main entrance of institution with history of protecting child abusers.
Why did it need a qanon nut to highlight the total wrongness of that set up?
Take it down and stick it in a gallery somewhere ffs..
Why did it need a qanon nut to highlight the total wrongness of that set up?
Take it down and stick it in a gallery somewhere ffs..
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And he’s even told us how to read it, by calling it Prospero and Arial. Prospero frees the trapped Arial (portrayed here as a naked child) and Arial then has to serve him.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
euggh ... did he came out with some duplicitous guff about "enlightenment" ?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Probably, I don’t know. But it’s all there in the title and how he chose to portray Arial. And anyone who doubts that can think back to O Grade English or look up the story on the internet.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the bbc internal magazine ariel iirc
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
In reference to the statue? Or the device?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, I’d never have known if it hadn’t been pointed out.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the device is an aerial. Ariel (newspaper) - Wikipedia
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
me neither. But you'd think the bbc might have had the gumption to realise it was not a good look after the truth about gill came out - and especially after Saville.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
They may have realised that and decided they preferred the likelihood of the topic never coming up compared to the media attention if they took it down.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
There was already media attention. Not as much as when the guy hit it with a hammer though.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yep - they must have realised - it reeks of cowardly buck passing - and they ended up pretending it wasn't there. Every day when they walked under it.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Fair enough. It was the hammer guy that brought it to my attention.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
What does it reveal?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The puritanical/repressed nature of the person doing the defacing. As I said upthread, it reminds me of outraged Christians gouging out the penises on ancient Egyptian/Greek statues.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they couldn't wait to get their hands on cocks
maomao
普費斯
It's happening again. I'm aware that I probably agree with this protestor about very little but I completely agree with him about this.
www.theguardian.com
Man arrested after hammer attack on Eric Gill statue at BBC’s Broadcasting House
Man in Spider-Man mask scaled London headquarters in apparent protest against paedophile sculptor
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
It's happening again. I'm aware that I probably agree with this protestor about very little but I completely agree with him about this.
Man arrested after hammer attack on Eric Gill statue at BBC’s Broadcasting House
Man in Spider-Man mask scaled London headquarters in apparent protest against paedophile sculptor
They seem to have left the scaffolding up unguarded, which was an invitation for someone to do this.
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