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Looming Le Pen - French Election 2022

However Zemmour has now finally declared, so expect him to up the ante in the immigration and Islamophobia rhetoric. Le Pen looks marginally saner, although you'd hope enough Français would pick Macron over whichever of the two he faces (most likely scenario).
Fuck Zemmour, Le Pen and Macron - all three are harmful
Good to see Barnier having to return to earth
Yeah didn't even make it to the run offs the wanker
 
If current polls are anything to go by she won't make it to the run-off.

However Zemmour has now finally declared, so expect him to up the ante in the immigration and Islamophobia rhetoric. Le Pen looks marginally saner, although you'd hope enough Français would pick Macron over whichever of the two he faces (most likely scenario).
am in the unlikeable position of thinking I might vote on this one, le zemmour will hopefully take some of the loonaticest right wings away from marine on round one, macron not someone I would like to have to vote for
fecking shitwhow again fire on a rock or frying pan in a hard place
 
am in the unlikeable position of thinking I might vote on this one, le zemmour will hopefully take some of the loonaticest right wings away from marine on round one, macron not someone I would like to have to vote for
fecking shitwhow again fire on a rock or frying pan in a hard place
Le zemmour standing could play in to Le Pen’s hand by making her appear ‘moderate’. The fucking Overton Window in France needs a brick through it.
 
Zemmour has been injured at his Presidential campaign launch and ordered to rest for 9 days. He's not even got the top job yet, and he's pulling Brenda's sympathy stunt.




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Le zemmour standing could play in to Le Pen’s hand by making her appear ‘moderate’. The fucking Overton Window in France needs a brick through it.
I think it's more likely that Macron has put him up to it to split the reac vote.
 
I think it's more likely that Macron has put him up to it to split the reac vote.
Doesn't that only work for the first round? From what I've seen it looks unlikely that Pécresse, Mélenchon, Hidalgo or anyone else will make the top two in the first round, and I'd have thought Zemmour or Le Pen's voters would switch to the other, assuming they come in second and third, in whatever order.

Unless Zemmour is too extreme for FN voters, and they go with the devil they know in Macron.
 
Hmm, I'm just looking at the French wiki, which has a page chronicling the election polling. Macron is still top in the polls over the last couple of days, with just under 25%, but Pécresse is now either second or level with Le Pen, on just under 20%. Zemmour is some way behind in fourth.

It'll be interesting to see how that develops.
 
I was watching a French political panel show earlier, recorded in the last week, which reckoned Pécresse would currently beat Macron in a two way run-off. She's shot up to second in the polls since she won the LR nomination, as Zemmour has gone down a little.
 
I was watching a French political panel show earlier, recorded in the last week, which reckoned Pécresse would currently beat Macron in a two way run-off. She's shot up to second in the polls since she won the LR nomination, as Zemmour has gone down a little.
There is some polling showing that but I think it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, we're still four months away. That said Pécresse probably has the best chance of anyone of beating Macron in the second round.
 
There is some polling showing that but I think it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, we're still four months away. That said Pécresse probably has the best chance of anyone of beating Macron in the second round.
Am I right to assume that if she didn't make the run-off LR voters would hold their noses and vote for Macron? Assuming, that is, that his opponent is Le Pen or Zemmour.
 
Am I right to assume that if she didn't make the run-off LR voters would hold their noses and vote for Macron? Assuming, that is, that his opponent is Le Pen or Zemmour.
Some polling evidence of the breakdown from last time is below and here
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So kind of what you'd expect a split to Macron, Le Pen and abstain. Whether the ratio would be different the time around I don't think it is easy to say - though the fact that most polling has Le Pen having doing better in the 2nd round than in 2017 would seem to imply that more LR voters would go Le Pen and/or abstain
 
Interesting that Macron took more of Fillon's voters than Le Pen. Even more interesting that a not insignificant number of Mélenchon's support switched to Le Pen.

I suppose there could be a risk that Le Pen seems less dodgy as Zemmour has had so much exposure.
 
Piece on the state of the French election in the FT
Its very much from an FT liberal perspective but the general point that that this is an election between different parts of the right is accurate (at least at this point

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The disarray of the French left underscores how the campaign for the presidency ahead of April’s election will be fought and won on the right.

Barely five years since François Hollande bowed out as France’s socialist head of state, the party’s candidate Anne Hidalgo has sunk to as low as 3 per cent in one recent opinion poll. Hidalgo’s last-ditch appeal for the multiple left-of-centre contenders to submit to a primary contest has so far been rejected by most of them.

Now Christiane Taubira, a veteran politician from the French Caribbean, is considering a bid to save the honour of the left. Taubira, a former justice minister, is a respected figure. But whether she can unify the leftwing vote, including the greens, is doubtful.

First-round support for all of the left-of-centre candidates amounts to only 24 per cent. The left lacks compelling leaders and fresh ideas. France’s political centre of gravity has shifted to the right in recent years, with crime, immigration and national identity rising up the agenda, even if living standards and Covid-19 have more recently returned to the fore.

The election is shaping up as a battle among four candidates for right of centre voters. The novelty was the stunning rise of Eric Zemmour, the far-right polemicist, whose polling breakthrough has come largely at the expense of Marine Le Pen, fighting her third presidential campaign. Then came the surprise victory of Valérie Pécresse, in the primary for the centre right Republicans. She has since vaulted the two far-right candidates into second place in opinion polls behind Emmanuel Macron. In his book La Droite en France, published in 1954 and updated in 1982, the historian René Rémond drew up a typology based on the right’s post-revolutionary antecedents which, if inexact in its categorisations, remains remarkably pertinent today. It is divided into three currents, Rémond wrote: legitimists (or counter-revolutionaries), Orleanists and Bonapartists. Zemmour and Le Pen are legitimists or anti-liberal reactionaries. Gaullists, with their faith in the charismatic leader, are Bonapartists. Macron is an Orleanist liberal, as is the more conservative Pécresse.

Postwar French politics has been shaped as much, if not more, by the divisions among these currents as by the ideological competition between left and right. Periodically, rightwing ideologues dream of uniting all three currents. Nicolas Sarkozy came closest in recent times, taking far-right and liberal votes to win in 2007. His presidency was incoherent and erratic.

Zemmour, an essayist and historian, aspires to bring together legitimists and Bonapartists. For him that means paying homage to Charles de Gaulle while playing down the crimes of his second world war adversary Philippe Pétain and his collaborationist regime. He also thrives on the fuss his revisionism creates.

Macron, who also celebrates de Gaulle, has every interest in keeping this rift alive. He made a point of visiting Vichy, seat of Pétain’s wartime government, earlier this month where he warned against the “manipulation” of history. Macron’s original political pitch was that he went beyond left and right, but he has governed as a liberal conservative. While his core vote includes social democrats and centrists, the bulk of his supporters are centre-right. Fifty per cent of them would back Pécresse as a second choice in the first round of an election, according to an Ipsos Sopra-Steria poll. Pécresse needs to win them over while keeping the rightwing of her party from deserting to Zemmour.

She has taken a hard line on immigration, wants to slash the size of France’s public administration and accuses Macron of wrecking the public finances. Her pitch is very similar to that made by the conservative François Fillon five years ago before his campaign collapsed in scandal. Macron’s allies are already accusing her of being stuck in the past, too Parisian and a hostage to her party’s hard right sympathisers. But opinion polls suggest she could beat the incumbent in the second round. Macron is under pressure to promise a reformist second term. Since his party may well lose its parliamentary majority in elections in June, he would probably have to share power with the Republicans in any case.

Macron would prefer a rematch against Le Pen or, even better, an easy run-off with Zemmour. He could once again present himself as a rampart against the far-right. But the French seem to have little appetite for a Manichean choice. Pécresse may yet falter. She is only narrowly ahead of her far-right rivals. But the first female conservative presidential candidate presents Macron with a fresh challenge. It would strengthen Macron’s legitimacy should he win. It is good for French democracy.
 
Also a piece from Jacobin looking at the same issues but from a different perspective
 
Also a piece from Jacobin looking at the same issues but from a different perspective
Thanks , interesting, contrasting and to be frank depressing reads. Portuguese elections take place Jan 30 which also don't inspire optimism although the main battle there is between the Socialist Party and a divided conservative 'social democratic ' party . The PCP and BE are likely to stagnate and the far right populist Chega vote could overtake them although they don't seem to have too much momentum at the moment.
 
Thanks , interesting, contrasting and to be frank depressing reads. Portuguese elections take place Jan 30 which also don't inspire optimism although the main battle there is between the Socialist Party and a divided conservative 'social democratic ' party . The PCP and BE are likely to stagnate and the far right populist Chega vote could overtake them although they don't seem to have too much momentum at the moment.
Don’t think chega are getting much traction, fascism is a living memory for many Portuguese and migration is much less an issue (although quite a racist country more in ignorance than malice). On one of the Portuguese Facebook train groups I go on and people tend to get insulted or told to fuck off if they start posting far right talking points, chegista seems to be an insult.
 
Don’t think chega are getting much traction, fascism is a living memory for many Portuguese and migration is much less an issue (although quite a racist country more in ignorance than malice). On one of the Portuguese Facebook train groups I go on and people tend to get insulted or told to fuck off if they start posting far right talking points, chegista seems to be an insult.
Yes I agree generally. Chega don’t seem to have made the best of several opportunities since the Presidential elections and don’t seem to have any dynamic . The PCP and BE are both treading water, the former is saying and doing the right things but the level of unionisation and industrial militancy is low and doesn’t drive their agenda. The former having been too soft on the SP are now trying to make some space but they tend to appeal to some of the same demographic as the SP. I suspect the prospect of a SP majority will created problems for both the PCP and BE. The SDP seem to be in a faction fight .
 
It's certainly going to be interesting how this plays out in the next few months. Everything suggests the final two will be Macron and one of Pécresse, Le Pen or Zemmour, although Macron hasn't yet declared.

I watched a long interview Macron gave to TF1 a couple of weeks back, and from what I could tell (my French isn't perfect) he's a lot more eloquent than almost anyone we're used to in the Anglosphere. Very Blairish.
 
So Macron has finally declared, just before the deadline on Tuesday I think it was. 38 candidates in total, although most didn't get the 500 required sponsors from elected officials. All the names I recognise did though, although Le Pen only just.

Macron is miles ahead in the polls, with Pécresse, Le Pen and Zemmour battling it out for second. Having said that Mélenchon has picked up since the new year.
 
Is Le Pen going to be a bit sullied by the Putin/Russian funding thing? Got to take a bit of damage for that one I would think.
 
Ten days to go. I see most of the heavily promoted new right candidates seem to have fallen by the wayside. Macron obvs well ahead but it looks plausibly close between Le Pen & Melenchon for second. Le Pens support has been slipping away and Melenchon’s growing. Probably too late for him to narrow the gap even more tho / she was ahead 19-15 last I saw.

Still, we can hope.
 
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