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Laurence Fox. The twat.

andysays said:
Is ADHD really "inherited"? And even if it is, not sure if we should be attacking anyone, even Fox, because they have ADHD.

I don't mind having a pop at Fox for being a twat (and that's putting it mildly) but some of the stuff on this thread, particularly relating to his kids, is getting a bit close to the line, at least for my delicate sensibilities.
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Yes, yes it is. I inherited it from my parents. What often happens is the kids get diagnosed and then the parents are like, ‘shit’ it me. But I’ve seen chaos like this so many times in friends, I only wish I’d been there to get them to seek help. Before it was too late. It’s not funny. A large % of the prison population has it, some of us drink or drug ourselves to death. Yes he’s a twat but that he really can’t stop despite consequences. Not even for his kids. That’s an ADHD trait, taking risks and not thinking about the consequences, hence why so many ADHD folks have a criminal record My best mate couldn’t stop for his kid and he’s dead now.
 
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Orang Utan said:
Sorry, but i think it’s out of order to cc Piper on this in public. And it’s not as if you’d be the first to bring this to her attention. I’m sure she’s more aware than anyone of her ex’s views and behaviour
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Though it’s of course doubtful that either Fox or Piper read such Tweets, they do contribute to the noise around them
 
andysays said:
Is ADHD really "inherited"?
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I don't know much about ADHD to be honest, and wouldn't claim to. I bet getting a diagnosis is not as easy as some folks seem to think, though (see also autism). And if you've got it, it's no joke. People say it's overdiagnosed, and it does seem to be overdiagnosed online by every Redditor and his dog who shout "Autism!" or "ADHD!" or "Neurodivergent!" in response to any unexpected behaviour, but that doesn't mean it's the qualified professionals who are doing the overdiagnosing. People like Fox need to learn that just because they don't suffer from ADHD, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
LeytonCatLady said:
I don't know much about ADHD to be honest, and wouldn't claim to. I bet getting a diagnosis is not as easy as some folks seem to think, though (see also autism). And if you've got it, it's no joke. People say it's overdiagnosed, and it does seem to be overdiagnosed online by every Redditor and his dog who shout "Autism!" or "ADHD!" or "Neurodivergent!" in response to any unexpected behaviour, but that doesn't mean it's the qualified professionals who are doing the overdiagnosing. People like Fox need to learn that just because they don't suffer from ADHD, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Except he may also have ADHD, which may go some way to explain but not excuse his behaviour
 
Orang Utan said:
Sorry, but i think it’s out of order to cc Piper on this in public. And it’s not as if you’d be the first to bring this to her attention. I’m sure she’s more aware than anyone of her ex’s views and behaviour
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What, more out of order than Fox's original tweet? For your information, I couldn't DM her and I thought she had the right to know so she could act accordingly. I agree people shouldn't bring Billie or the kids into his shenanigans when he's being a twat without it having anything to do with them, but discussing family court stuff/kids' private business/trying to make their mum look bad is something that directly affects them. I'd hope someone would warn me about his disturbing behaviour if I was in Billie's position.
 
LeytonCatLady said:
What, more out of order than Fox's original tweet? For your information, I couldn't DM her and I thought she had the right to know so she could act accordingly. I agree people shouldn't bring Billie or the kids into his shenanigans when he's being a twat without it having anything to do with them, but discussing family court stuff/kids' private business/trying to make their mum look bad is something that directly affects them. I'd hope someone would warn me about his disturbing behaviour if I was in Billie's position.
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You didn’t think she’d already been alerted to this? That’s a bit naive of you, I have to say.
 
Plumdaff said:
Given Fox has already received contact from her lawyers and he refers to previous court orders, I'm sure someone directed by Piper is monitoring his tweets. For her wellbeing's sake, I hope it isn't her.

I feel very sorry for her and the kids. What a fucking burden and a mess.
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Absolutely. And that quite incredible long tweet that was posted hints at some pretty awful behaviour in addition to that which he admits to.

As someone with ADHD, (only recognised when my kids were diagnosed), I’m not sure how much of an explanation it is for his behaviour. Most of us manage not to be pricks and racist attention seekers, ADHD or not.
 
how annoyed do you think fox is this morning that his latest twitter attention seeking post is now being reported because of the royal photoshoot gate :)
 
pinkmonkey said:
Yes, yes it is. I inherited it from my parents. What often happens is the kids get diagnosed and then the parents are like, ‘shit’ it me. But I’ve seen chaos like this so many times in friends, I only wish I’d been there to get them to seek help. Before it was too late. It’s not funny. A large % of the prison population has it, some of us drink or drug ourselves to death. Yes he’s a twat but that he really can’t stop despite consequences. Not even for his kids. My best mate couldn’t stop for his kid and he’s dead now.
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OK it was a genuine question because I didn't know, so thanks for helping to alleviate some of my ignorance.

Sorry to hear about your friend.
 
danny la rouge said:
As someone with ADHD, (only recognised when my kids were diagnosed), I’m not sure how much of an explanation it is for his behaviour. Most of us manage not to be pricks and racist attention seekers, ADHD or not.
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This is a really interesting and difficult question - how much leeway do you give to someone with mental health issues?

It's one that's close to my heart because I've an Uncle whose behaviour has meant I've had to cut him out of my life. This is incredibly sad, as he was a big part of my life as I grew up and I do still worry about him.

But he has no idea of the havoc he wreaks on anyone near to him, particularly those who try to help him, and ultimately my self-preservation instincts kicked in. It was even worse for my Mum as he's her little brother and she felt a lot of responsibility for him.

Tough one, though, isn't it? With no clear-cut answer, I'd imagine.
 
Voley said:
This is a really interesting and difficult question - how much leeway do you give to someone with mental health issues?

It's one that's close to my heart because I've an Uncle whose behaviour has meant I've had to cut him out of my life. This is incredibly sad, as he was a big part of my life as I grew up and I do still worry about him.

But he has no idea of the havoc he wreaks on anyone near to him, particularly those who try to help him, and ultimately my self-preservation instincts kicked in. It was even worse for my Mum as he's her little brother and she felt a lot of responsibility for him.

Tough one, though, isn't it? With no clear-cut answer, I'd imagine.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about this recently too.
(though I’ve also been applying this musing to my own action/lack of action in some matters :oops: )
 
Voley said:
This is a really interesting and difficult question - how much leeway do you give to someone with mental health issues?

It's one that's close to my heart because I've an Uncle whose behaviour has meant I've had to cut him out of my life. This is incredibly sad, as he was a big part of my life as I grew up and I do still worry about him.

But he has no idea of the havoc he wreaks on anyone near to him, particularly those who try to help him, and ultimately my self-preservation instincts kicked in. It was even worse for my Mum as he's her little brother and she felt a lot of responsibility for him.

Tough one, though, isn't it? With no clear-cut answer, I'd imagine.
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I don’t think Fox gets any leeway tbh - until he recognises it and deals with it he’s just a twat. Posting about your issues with your kids on Twitter is a definite ➡️
 
Re ADHD...it is not illegal to not give your children ADHD medication.

I work with primary aged children in a specialised setting and several parents refuse to give the children their prescription ADHD medication.

Fox is pissed that the courts have sided with his kid's mum over whether they should have the medication.

ADHD is real...and some children can be taught to regulate themselves by using sensory tools ( fidget toys, sensory sessions, walking breaks, meditation etc) but others need medication and without it they really struggle to process what is happening to and around them.
 
comrade spurski said:
Re ADHD...it is not illegal to not give your children ADHD medication.

I work with primary aged children in a specialised setting and several parents refuse to give the children their prescription ADHD medication.

Fox is pissed that the courts have sided with his kid's mum over whether they should have the medication.

ADHD is real...and some children can be taught to regulate themselves by using sensory tools ( fidget toys, sensory sessions, walking breaks, meditation etc) but others need medication and without it they really struggle to process what is happening to and around them.
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It’s a bit shit to just abruptly stop them, not everyone gets on well with ‘just stopping.’ That’s one reason I think he’s a dick if he’s just done this. But yeah, for him, everything is about showing off to followers on Twitter.
 
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