knife violence and murders among youth

[pocketscience]

Evidence?

Small businesses can fuck off. Unless they support working class actions (I'm sure some do) and/ or stuff in the community, they can't suddenly come crying for working class support when it suddenly dawns on them that the shit can affect them too.

 

[fucthest8]

<ignores entire thread>

"So if you hate yourself enough, and hate others enough, then doing terrible things to them becomes your only pastime, your only pleasure. Because in the moment when ... you slip your blade behind their eyeball, you have control, and that means something. It means something when someone else is your master and that’s the only control you’ll ever have.”

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Which is still my stance pocketscience so I don’t know what exciting news you’re revealing.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

So what makes you so working class? Were you a miner ot a steel worker? No you are just a twat who claims that all your neighbours are lumpen yet you are so enlightened.
You might be a lovely bloke but you come across as a twat & a half.

If you want more specific info I worked in the beam mill of British Steel Lackenby Plant circa 1993-4.

 

[pocketscience]

Which is still my stance pocketscience so I don’t know what exciting news you’re revealing.

working class locals lost their jobs for the finacial gain of a billionaire property developer, cashing in on affluent millenials doing faux raves.
your hard nosed rationale said 'fuck off mr garage man, not supporting working class actions' regardless of him creating working class jobs.
I'm with mr goodmann here - I reckon you aint got a clue about the working class and there's a guilt complex hidden in there somewhere.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

working class locals lost their jobs for the finacial gain of a billionaire property developer, cashing in on affluent millenials doing faux raves.
your hard nosed rationale said 'fuck off mr garage man, not suppirting working class actions' regardless of him creating working class jobs.
I'm with mr goodmann here - I reckon you aint got a clue about the working class and there's a guilt complex hidden in there somewhere.

Yeah. What we need is to have our labour value exploited by small businesses otherwise it’ll be big businesses doing it anyway.

 

[pocketscience]

Yeah. What we need is to have our labour value exploited by small businesses otherwise it’ll be big businesses doing it anyway.

no irony in that wrt the context of this thread. working class jobs wiped out in hackney so the middle class can sniff coke.
quick, call the old bill!!!

 

[Magnus McGinty]

no irony in that wrt the context of this thread. working class jobs wiped out in hackney so the middle class can sniff coke.
quick, call the old bill!!!

What we need is those good friendly bosses.
I appreciate your faculties in remembering what I said years back, I didn’t remember it, but it hardly damages me in any way given I think the same today.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Working class people can't have trades, be self employed/be business starters and employ others? We should just leave that to others so we can stay in the disempowered fucking misery of not being able to create or have jobs and working for the likes of each other? Leave that to the experts ye fucking SHILL LIBERAL MIDDLE CLASS SCUM!

 

[Magnus McGinty]

And you shake it all about. And that’s what it’s all about!

 

[Pickman's model]

I could say the same about you. You’re not the same in person as you are online.

none of my arguments end in as homs: but you resort to that all the fucking time like it's a trump card. But it isn't, it just shows the weakness of your claims when it's all you're left with. Disappointing.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

none of my arguments end in as homs: but you resort to that all the fucking time like it's a trump card. But it isn't, it just shows the weakness of your claims when it's all you're left with. Disappointing.

I agree I shouldn’t do that. Accept my apologies, I’ll refrain in future.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[fucthest8]

I am considerably more working class that yow.

Every time I wonder why I barely ever come here any more, a thread like this pops up to remind me. Stupid, point scoring bullshit, with no-one actually interested in discussing anything, just winning, that's all that matters isn't it? Fucking tragic. Literally, what, 15 years of watching you cunts at this? Feeling like I've got nothing to contribute when actually it's YOU, you've got nothing new to say, no actual insight, just the same tired shit over and over and over again. So fucking dull.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Well just fuck off then.
For what it’s worth- it’s others who demand to know my class credentials for the crime of talking about it in those terms. That they think I’m lying just exposes themselves. Edie liked a lot of my posts and didn’t think I was lying and that’s no surprise as she isn’t pretending either.

 

[fucthest8]

Well just fuck off then.
For what it’s worth- it’s others who demand to know my class credentials for the crime of talking about it in those terms. That they think I’m lying just exposes themselves. Edie liked a lot of my posts and didn’t think I was lying and that’s no surprise as she isn’t pretending either.

REALLY? That's your response? "Fuck off and a person liked my posts so there ner?"

Good grief.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It’s Friday and I’m copping all the grief

 

[fucthest8]

Also, interesting that you respond to a post aimed at the ENTIRE FUCKING PLACE like it was aimed at you. Hmmmmm.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

*sigh*

 

[Smoking kills]

Yeah you sad twat. I am an idiot who thinks you are about as working class as my fucking hoover. I hope you get a buzz out of being a tosser. Is it the vibrations?

Henry Hoover is PFWC, you fucking idiot!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well just fuck off then.
For what it’s worth- it’s others who demand to know my class credentials for the crime of talking about it in those terms. That they think I’m lying just exposes themselves. Edie liked a lot of my posts and didn’t think I was lying and that’s no surprise as she isn’t pretending either.

I've resisted that temptation but it does beg several questions. You're almost daring people to tell you of their experiences living in various bits of down at heel London. And lots of us have those experiences. What most of is I suspect don't have, including you, is the experience of bringing up a kid in those areas. In that I do defer to the likes of edie on certain things. Doesn't mean I agree with her, mind you. I don't. But I respect that she has experiences that I don't have.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It’s Friday and I’m copping all the grief

WANKER

kidding

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Mildly amused at the class credentials chat... did you work down pit?
Lassies with absent dads must be the underclass

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I was in the middle of one of those pile ons where the obvious come forward to have a pop along with the less obvious and those you’ve never heard of. It’s glorious but I’m not sure who you mean that I lashed out at incorrectly littlebabyjesus

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Mildly amused at the class credentials chat... did you work down pit?
Lassies with absent dads must be the underclass

Can I at least get a few hours sleep?

 

[Smoking kills]

a couple of thoughts about moving families;

-this is already happening as a 'solution' to social problems via urban councils knocking down social housing - brushing the problems away is a big motivating factor in those policies
-if young people, especially involved in gangs, get moved into other troubled urban areas - say from Walworth to Thamesmead, they and their families then experience a ton of shit along the outsiders/postcode wars line from local crews. <<<a big issue that, which social services don't seem to give a shit about.
-where people get moved to are often the poorest areas with the least resources, creating new problems there. Robbing Peter to pay Paul type thing.

not sure what you had in mind about going into schools, police in corridors? metal detectors at the door? or talks from people affected/police? Police in schools is already increasingly happening and the US shows us where this ends up. Prison schools.

Bobbies on the Beat isnt going to do much.

Not trying to pour cold water, just thougths.

This. I think that the migration of "looked after" children to cheap accomodation miles from their home areas and family networks followed the same economic and political logic.

 

[Edie]

Magnus McGinty you’re Citizen66?! I didn’t know that. Hullo! I remember you were about to become a dad, how’s it going?

(And littlebabyjesus I may be a mum of teens but I’ve never parented in London. And in all honesty, this is overwhelmingly a London problem. Leeds just isn’t anywhere near as bad for knife crime and young lads thank the lord).

 

[Treacle Toes]

I've resisted that temptation but it does beg several questions. You're almost daring people to tell you of their experiences living in various bits of down at heel London. And lots of us have those experiences. What most of is I suspect don't have, including you, is the experience of bringing up a kid in those areas. In that I do defer to the likes of edie on certain things. Doesn't mean I agree with her, mind you. I don't. But I respect that she has experiences that I don't have.

There is something really upsetting/frustrating about this kind of baiting and it's all a bit of debating fun bravado and I fully expect that it's the kind of behaviour that would stop people posting about their actual experiences anyway. It has stopped me this week for example.

I just can't bear to read any more of his shitty, dismissive comments and then acting the victim and claiming he is being piled onto when others rightly question why he is being such a disengenuos, have his cake and eat it, batshit twit.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well worth a listen.

Perspective, honesty and a lesson in the challenges young people, youth workers and other community members actually face day to day.

 

[Athos]

Working class people can't have trades, be self employed/be business starters and employ others? We should just leave that to others so we can stay in the disempowered fucking misery of not being able to create or have jobs and working for the likes of each other? Leave that to the experts ye fucking SHILL LIBERAL MIDDLE CLASS SCUM!

Whilst I'm not defending Magnus's posts, your implication that the way for individual working class people to gain empowerment is to exercise a freedom to become capitalists is literally classical liberalism!

If you're going to reply, please address the point, rather than a load of ad hominem.

ETA: Actually, don't bother; it'd be a shame to derail this thread further.