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He’s successful.

TBF, he did succeed in becoming President. He is successful.

That doesn't mean we should assume he's smart, it means we should reassess what successful means.

His elder sons are weird fuckers with smoothed-down faces as if they've just come out of the surgery process of a badly-run witness protection programme, he's so creepy with Ivanka that it makes your skin not just crawl but attempt to leap off your body and run away, and the two kids from his other marriages are completely ignored by him, which is probably for the best for them but doesn't say much about him. His two ex-wives loathe him, his current wife always looks like she's in a hostage situation, his family are writing books about how vile he is partly due to the verifiable fact that he cut off medical care to his young nephew, and he can't even pay people to stay around and pretend to be his friends for more than a few months. He tweets about how great he is, which is not something that happy people do.
 
That was my point.

He is genuinely successful, but only for certain measures of achievement.

The things he doesn’t give a shit about, the things he has no capacity for (family, connection, relationships, personal development) all fall by the wayside, that’s where he fails. But they have no meaning to him, so they simply don’t figure in the equation. They don’t matter, they don’t count. Those failures don’t diminish his sense of success, or the way he’s seen as successful by people who use the same measures.

Price trumps value.
Knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. That’s not smart, that’s a very profound kind of stupid.
 
I don’t but the level of tropes being spun as fact on here are depressing.

Reminds me of a comment I saw - somewhere on the internet once - that Trump was a ‘failed billionaire’.

I mean, what the actual fuck?:facepalm:

He's certainly not a self-made billionaire, propped up by inheritence money with several bankrupt businesses and rip off ventures.

"somewhere on the internet once"

You absolute turnip.
 
I don’t but the level of tropes being spun as fact on here are depressing.

Reminds me of a comment I saw - somewhere on the internet once - that Trump was a ‘failed billionaire’.

I mean, what the actual fuck?:facepalm:


What is it with the belief that success equates to money?
Trump is wealthy because he inherited money. But he's a failed human being in every sense of the word. All he does is talk about money. He's a fucked up manchild who was told by his paremts that he was fantastic. His mother probably framed his nappies as his biggest achievements...ever.
 
I like to think of this as still true. Someone who can manage to bankrupt their own casino, shows a lack of business ability that's next level. A casino is afaik guaranteed to make money in any normal situation.
Did he do that? Blimey. My understanding as well is that it is pretty much impossible not to make money with a casino.
 
Did he do that? Blimey. My understanding as well is that it is pretty much impossible not to make money with a casino.
Yep. His place in Atlanta. Lost money, even whilst other cacinos there were doing oK
I cant be bothered to look it up, he is such a dumpling brained tosser that my interest level only stretches to scan reading stuff on the web.

Here's one story.

 
No he isn't, he's a bubblegum rapper. Hip-hop for people who aren't into hip-hop. I don't care how many people buy his records, Westlife have sold over twice as many and they're shit too.
Not true. I'm not into his music, bt
Kanye West is a very talented record producer, an ok rapper and an absolute whopper of a human being, just to clear things up.
100% correct.

The idea he is "bubblegum rap for people who dont really like hip hop" is pure boomer.
 
This is about right. Though I'd elevate his rhyming to the level of 'good' (almost mistyped that as god, which I'm sure Kanye himself would have thought appropriate).

This is a massively idiotic move. Will at the very least chip away at crucial black votes and benefit Trump. Though as we know Kanye has circled and embraced Trump at various times, so...

But Kanye is not an idiot. People who dismiss him as an artist are dead wrong. He's always had something to say.

He's got a really good eye (ear?) for chronicling the emotional landscape of Black American life at the day-to-day level. A thanksgiving with an unspoken absent family member; the way that consumerism acts as an emotional bandage, that "made us love their wealth, and hate ourself"; questioning his own self-adornment with rocks in the face of blood-diamond wars and amputations.

He's right on that nexus of that guilt-ridden, sacred-profane conflict that has fuelled soul music from it's beginning. Tracks like Jesus Walks and No Church In (a while) are exuberant but conflicted (and funny). "I'm not here to argue about his facial features... or turn atheists into believers... I'm just trying to say the way that Kathy need Regis - that's the way I need Jesus!"

He's also the single most soulful producer in hip hop, unashamedly tying the sound back to the squishy, syrupy roots of soul, and giving it a big injection of liveliness just when it needed it.

And, yes, he's an egotist and a massive dickhead some of the time. The Taylor Swift stuff - at first my jaw just dropped at the sheer chutzpah of it all - but in the end it just comes down to ugly bullying, and can't be excused.

Then there's the cosying up to Trump, and the misguided 'slavery was a choice' chat, etc.

Even that contains complexity. I feel like he has always had a vein of struggle born out of wanting to be accepted as a fully-fledged member of society (without the compromising pigeonhole of 'race'). Stuff like how he railed against the college education that seemed to fill him with feelings of rejection, plus his ongoing half-joking flirtations with right-wing musings:

"And I’ll never let my son have an ego,
He’ll be nice to everyone wherever we go,
I mean I might even make him be Republican,
So everybody know he love white people"
Oh damn this post says it much much better than I was trying to anyway, nice work.....
 
TBF, he did succeed in becoming President. He is successful.

Ok.

That doesn't mean we should assume he's smart, it means we should reassess what successful means.

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;) All joking aside - I think I understand what you mean, especially when you just look at someone like Kenneth Copeland - the loon televangelist scam artist who is worth $850 million. Reading into him is unbelievable- private jet and tax exemption scams by designating his multi millionaire various luxury homes as ministries - I’m not sure how to categorise these types as yes they are intelligent/smart and successful, but the way they’ve made it is parasitic imo.

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Not sure how anyone would regard Kanye as an idiot - he’s worth around $1.5 billion from what I’ve read which suggests that he’s pretty shrewd in branding himself and products.

I know this is an odd concept for a Republican to wrap their mind around, but there are people in the world who aren't motivated by money and don't value themselves or others by how much money someone has.
 
Fuck knows tbh - I thought he was a billionaire after building an empire from a million dollar loan off his father.
Awww, bless, you still believe that nonsense.
He built his empire by using the bank of dad, and his name to borrow money, then asset stripped his failing empire. He sent small businesses to the wall to build his empire. He's a fraudster of the lowest order.
 
I know this is an odd concept for a Republican to wrap their mind around, but there are people in the world who aren't motivated by money and don't value themselves or others by how much money someone has.

Of course but that’s not what was been discussed - it was regarding whether someone who has been very successful financially could be regarded as an ‘idiot’ (read upthread).
 
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