14 year old boy kills himself following obsessive use of AI chatbot

[littlebabyjesus]

Well I guess. Except it's all stolen. And they're building extra energy infrastructure cos it takes so much to do.

Will AI’s huge energy demands spur a nuclear renaissance?

Contracts with Google and Amazon could help, but bringing new types of reactor online will take larger investments — and time.

www.nature.com

But yeah, it can write a substandard CV and do weird pictures where everybody's hands are fucked.

Oh and it's running out of trainable data cos it's already nicked everything decent. Which may be an issue.

And companies like Open AI are running $5 billion a year losses.

But cheap photos maybe?

They are spending billions and billions and billions just to pay people to test and train the LLMs. The results so far are less than impressive. That can't continue for ever where progress is so painfully slow and nobody knows if the problems being addressed are fixable even in principle.

This is guesswork, but based on work I've been doing recently helping to burn all that energy, but I think more and more people are going to become less and less impressed by LLMs. They can help us do stuff at best. They can't do stuff for us in the way many people are betting it can.

 

[Petcha]

The entire creative industry is fucked basically.

There was a whole skillset there for a while in writing the prompts for midjourney, chatgpt to get into action - but guess what? there's now bots that can do that for you. So bots telling bots what to do. I'm not shitting you.

I'm 45 years old but i do feel sorry for my junior counterparts. Everyone's trying to figure out how it will affect us but the main thing is that our salaries will come down. if you can pay £10 a month for a midjourney account why pay a graphic designer £400 a day?

And yeh, photographers will be pretty much fucked, except for editorial stuff.

 

[8ball]

A lot of these things are up in the air still, but I suspect that it will not become significantly less diminished. AI does not reason. It does not think. It does not understand. That's built-in. It can give an incredibly convincing show of being able to do all of those things, right up to the moment when it fails.

Ever have some trouble with a service or product and tried to get through to someone who can reason or think?

A convincing show would be a big step forward.

 

[tommers]

They are spending billions and billions and billions just to pay people to test and train the LLMs. The results so far are less than impressive. That can't continue for ever where progress is so painfully slow and nobody knows if the problems being addressed are fixable even in principle.

This is guesswork, but based on work I've been doing recently helping to burn all that energy, but I think more and more people are going to become less and less impressed by LLMs. They can help us do stuff at best. They can't do stuff for us in the way many people are betting it can.

There's a fall coming. And it's going to be pretty spectacular.

I saw something yesterday that said that Nvidia's market cap is bigger than the German and Italian stock markets combined.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's all based on faith that the current problems are fixable. And it is just that, faith. There's precious little evidence that they are. There are dissenting voices in the AI academic community, but they are ignored. Anyone who isn't upbeat gets ignored.

Plus many people who should know better make absurd claims for AI's capabilities, both present and future. Claims that it can provide companionship to the elderly, for example. The kinds of claims that lead to cases like this one in the OP.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The entire creative industry is fucked basically.

There was a whole skillset there for a while in writing the prompts for midjourney, chatgpt to get into action - but guess what? there's now bots that can do that for you. So bots telling bots what to do. I'm not shitting you.

I'm 45 years old but i do feel sorry for my junior counterparts. Everyone's trying to figure out how it will affect us but the main thing is that our salaries will come down. if you can pay £10 a month for a midjourney account why pay a graphic designer £400 a day?

And yeh, photographers will be pretty much fucked, except for editorial stuff.

Yes a lot of people will be taking the cheaper option, and it will result in a proliferation of mediocre, formulaic art and design. But for many, it will be good enough given how cheap and easy it is.

 

[8ball]

Yes a lot of people will be taking the cheaper option, and it will result in a proliferation of mediocre, formulaic art and design.

I can almost hear IKEA shaking in their boots at this coming explosion of barbarism.

 

[Petcha]

Yes a lot of people will be taking the cheaper option, and it will result in a proliferation of mediocre, formulaic art and design. But for many, it will be good enough given how cheap and easy it is.

A lot of it's better than what I can do. Not too proud to say that. And it does iit n 30 seconds. It's actually really creative, that's the scary thing. It seems to think.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A lot of it's better than what I can do. Not too proud to say that. And it does iit n 30 seconds. It's actually really creative, that's the scary thing. It seems to think.

It seems to think. It doesn't, though.

You're right that it can do some amazing things. But ime the more you play with it, the less impressed you become.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

One of the annoying things I'm finding is AI written books for sale on the internet. These are often either short on any depth regarding their topic, or they're so riddled with errors as the make them useless. It would be fine if you could easily glean the source of them before you spent money on useless e-books. Even worse, some of the information has proven dangerous. Several AI written herbal or foraging books contain claims that something is edible when its poisonous. Usually, with traditional publishers the information is vetted in advance or withdrawn once the information has been proven a danger. With Amazon and other platforms allowing nearly anything to be sold, these books can remain on the site for a long time without review.

Case in point:

Six months ago, I spoke with a man named Elan Trybuch about a problem he was seeing online. He kept coming across different ebooks about mushroom foraging that looked somehow off. Off as in: maybe poisonous.

The books were shorter than most foraging guides were, and way, way cheaper, says Trybuch. He’s a software engineer and volunteer secretary for the New York Mycological Society, a nonprofit devoted to “spreading knowledge, love and appreciation of fungi.” He knows mushrooms and he knows AI, and he thought the covers of these books were probably AI-generated.

“They had mushroom structures that don’t quite make sense,” says Trybuch. They were the mycological equivalent of a picture of a hot blonde with six fingers and too many teeth.

Most disturbing was the information inside the books was totally wrong. “They aren’t even giving you descriptions of real mushrooms. They’re giving you something completely made up,” Trybuch says. Any readers looking to try to use these books to figure out which mushrooms were safe to eat and which weren’t would be out of luck, which to Trybuch was seriously concerning. “It could literally mean life or death” if you eat the wrong mushroom, he says.

The problem of very low-quality, very low-priced, probably at least partially AI-generated ebooks is not confined to mushroom foraging. Garbage ebooks have been a problem on Amazon for at least a decade, but — not unlike many strains of fungi — they’ve exploded over the last few years.

More here:

The AI grift that can literally poison you

When AI comes for mushroom foragers.

www.vox.com

 

[8ball]

There's a fall coming. And it's going to be pretty spectacular.

I saw something yesterday that said that Nvidia's market cap is bigger than the German and Italian stock markets combined.

Will it be as big or bigger than the “plant based meat” crash?

Guess only time will tell.

Ime it takes between 8 and 15 years for humans to generally realise they’re doing something dumb and to stop doing it. Except where property is concerned - that seems to run and run.

In the former case at least it was very rich people who bore the brunt of it. Be interesting to know how much Bill Gates lost..

 

[8ball]

It's no more a fiction than any other form of property. The notion that any thing or concept might belong to a person or persons is only in our heads ultimately, respected out of convention and rules that are also all in our heads. I'm not sure there's an important difference between 'intellectual' property and property involving physical things.

What is property? It is a claim to an exclusive right to use something. What that something is can be anything at all.

No, there’s an important difference between exclusive rights to control and restrict something that can be infinitely copied at virtually zero cost as opposed to stuff like, say, the place where you live.

 

[_Russ_]

I think there is probably more to this and the addiction factor, in this case to a chatbot didnt just happen to an otherwise happy kid

 

[_Russ_]

Think it’s probs too late for teaching critical thinking as it’s not just the kids, but their parents’ generation that have failed to learn this

For decades now this has been and remains an absolutely huge and increasing problem that is gonna bite society hard.

 

[Elpenor]

For decades now this has been and remains an absolutely huge and increasing problem that is gonna bite society hard.

Yeah; Just look at the standard of debate on urban

 

[krtek a houby]

I think

 

[Petcha]

It gets even more twisted.... and its so easy to do this

Man who used AI to create child abuse images jailed for 18 years

Hugh Nelson, 27, from Bolton, jailed after transforming normal pictures of children into sexual abuse imagery

www.theguardian.com