Julie Burchill forced to apologise for twitter comments , and pay out a fat wedge .

[Orang Utan]

but it is though.

I agree. Others didn’t!

 

[killer b]

I agree. Others didn’t!

well. they're wrong.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

imo a musical is a film in which the action stops for people to have a sing-song, then the action starts again. Bit like ad breaks.

By that measure, Wicker Man is not a musical. It is a film in which people play music.

 

[Orang Utan]

imo a musical is a film in which the action stops for people to have a sing-song, then the action starts again. Bit like ad breaks.

By that measure, Wicker Man is not a musical. It is a film in which people play music.

Nonsense. The action often continues while they’re singing.

 

[killer b]

imo a musical is a film in which the action stops for people to have a sing-song, then the action starts again. Bit like ad breaks.

By that measure, Wicker Man is not a musical. It is a film in which people play music.

by this measure I just made up, the wicker man is not a musical.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

by this measure I just made up, the wicker man is not a musical.

I think it's a good measure. It provides clarity where otherwise there is muddled thinking. Does song break out in inappropriate places? No. So it's not a musical.

 

[Knotted]

To be fair it needs more songs to be a proper musical. No naff filler!

 

[two sheds]

by this measure I just made up, the wicker man is not a musical.

neither is My Fair Lady, my favourite non musical

 

[SpookyFrank]

The 'musical' bits in the Wicker Man are there because they're tonally inappropriate, not because the film a musical and they're supposed to be there.

 

[Santino]

A good rule of thumb is whether the film would make sense without the songs.

 

[Orang Utan]

The 'musical' bits in the Wicker Man are there because they're tonally inappropriate, not because the film a musical and they're supposed to be there.

What? They’re totally appropriate and are part of the plot

 

[Knotted]

Also there isn't that much action. It's just Edward Woodward wondering about looking disapproving.

 

[killer b]

I think it's a good measure. It provides clarity where otherwise there is muddled thinking.

I think Willow's Song is 100% musical theatre in particular. You could maybe get away with saying it isn't a musical it if that wasn't there. But it is.

 

[SpookyFrank]

How is this what the thread is about now?

 

[SpookyFrank]

A good rule of thumb is whether the film would make sense without the songs.

Yes. In Wicker Man the songs are part of the setting, not the plot.

 

[tim]

Careful now, I got torn apart on here a few years ago for suggesting The Wicker Man was a musical

Excellent, the type of pseudo-Celtic sacrifice and rebirth ritual we need more of on Urban, particularly at this time of year. Is this the sort of malarkey that goes on at those Offline events?

 

[Steel Icarus]

How is this what the thread is about now?

When you've had the pizza you move onto the tiramisu

 

[killer b]

How is this what the thread is about now?

because talking about pretty much anything else is more fun than talking about Julie Burchill

 

[Knotted]

Yes. In Wicker Man the songs are part of the setting, not the plot.

Willow's Song is crucial to the plot.

 

[Knotted]

because talking about pretty much anything else is more fun than talking about Julie Burchill

She weirds me out more than anything in the Wickerman.

 

[Santino]

When I say 'make sense' I don't just mean the plot. I mean something broader about whether it would hang together, would it form a coherent whole?

 

[SpookyFrank]

What? They’re totally appropriate and are part of the plot

We start off with the news of the suspected murder of a young woman, then walk into this incredibly pervy barroom singalong about a young woman. It's not supposed to be a fun happy moment, it's a 'something is wrong here' moment.

 

[DaveCinzano]

He may have been, but I was unaware of anything he'd done before Lovejoy, so...

Have a crack at Villain

 

[tim]

I think Willow's Song is 100% musical theatre in particular. You could maybe get away with saying it isn't a musical it if that wasn't there. But it is.

It's an opera, not a musical.

 

[Knotted]

The rule for something being a musical is pretty straight forward isn't it. - People within the world of the film start singing. So it's a musical. Obvs

 

[killer b]

It's an opera, not a musical.

an opera is 100% sung though, so it definitely doesn't fit that.

 

[Treacle Toes]

We start off with the news of the suspected murder of a young woman, then walk into this incredibly pervy barroom singalong about a young woman. It's not supposed to be a fun happy moment, it's a 'something is wrong here' moment.

It's not the Sarah Everard thread Frank. It's the Julie Burchill one.

 

[Raheem]

A musical switches between two different modes: standard drama and song. The characters suddenly burst into song in situations where they wouldn't in real life. In the Wicker Man, there's no mode-switching. The characters are singing because they're singing. Even the naked Britt Eckland bit, albeit the singing is a bit weird, but that's the idea: we're supposed to accept that she really is singing.

 

[hitmouse]

The Wicker Man could be adapted into a full musical, but that shows that it isn't currently.

 

[Pickman's model]

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