Julie Burchill forced to apologise for twitter comments , and pay out a fat wedge .

[Pickman's model]

A musical switches between two different modes: standard drama and song. The characters suddenly burst into song in situations where they wouldn't in real life. In the Wicker Man, there's no mode-switching. The characters are singing because they're singing. Even the naked Britt Eckland bit, albeit the singing is a bit weird, but that's the idea: we're supposed to accept that she really is singing.

yeh carousel, grease or the sound of music this ain't

 

[xenon]

Wicca man is not a musical. It’s a film with a lot of music in it. If it ha been a musical, I wouldn’t hav watched it I have, ergo.

 

[Knotted]

A musical switches between two different modes: standard drama and song. The characters suddenly burst into song in situations where they wouldn't in real life. In the Wicker Man, there's no mode-switching. The characters are singing because they're singing. Even the naked Britt Eckland bit, albeit the singing is a bit weird, but that's the idea: we're supposed to accept that she really is singing.

Yes alright. But I watch it as a musical with anticipation for the musical numbers.

 

[killer b]

The Wicker Man could be adapted into a full musical, but that shows that it isn't currently.

it has been adapted into a musical, of course.

 

[tim]

It's not the Sarah Everard thread Frank. It's the Julie Burchill one.

It's becoming the Rowan Morrison one.

 

[marty21]

because talking about pretty much anything else is more fun than talking about Julie Burchill

Yep, totes agree .

 

[Yossarian]

If it was a standard musical it would have opened with Edward Woodward tap-dancing while singing exposition about being a virgin Scottish cop saving himself for marriage.

Apparently something along those lines has been attempted:

Playing with fire: The Wicker Man musical

The Wicker Man is a cult horror classic. Are the team of Scots who have turned the film into a musical – and rejigged its shocking ending – worried about offending fans? By Alfred Hickling

www.theguardian.com

 

[killer b]

I make no claim to it being any kind of 'standard' musical. It's definitely an unusual entry to the genre.

 

[Orang Utan]

We start off with the news of the suspected murder of a young woman, then walk into this incredibly pervy barroom singalong about a young woman. It's not supposed to be a fun happy moment, it's a 'something is wrong here' moment.

Yes, exactly

 

[hitmouse]

it has been adapted into a musical, of course.

I rest my case. No-one goes around adapting West Side Story or South Pacific into musicals. No further questions, your honour.

 

[Orang Utan]

A musical switches between two different modes: standard drama and song. The characters suddenly burst into song in situations where they wouldn't in real life. In the Wicker Man, there's no mode-switching. The characters are singing because they're singing. Even the naked Britt Eckland bit, albeit the singing is a bit weird, but that's the idea: we're supposed to accept that she really is singing.

There’s plenty of musicals in which the songs are performed as part of real life

 

[killer b]

I rest my case. No-one goes around adapting West Side Story or South Pacific into musicals. No further questions, your honour.

lol, I meant to write 'stage musical'.

Wikipedia agrees with me anyway (I wonder if you check the edit history it's just people editing the word 'musical' in and out over and over again?)

 

[Orang Utan]

I rest my case. No-one goes around adapting West Side Story or South Pacific into musicals. No further questions, your honour.

Er, yes they have and yes they do

 

[hitmouse]

Can anyone get me a breakdown of where a) Julie Burchill, and b) each individual contributor to Novara Media stand on this important issue?

 

[Santino]

If it was a standard musical it would have opened with Edward Woodward tap-dancing while singing exposition about being a virgin Scottish cop saving himself for marriage.

This is what people believe who think musicals are like they are in The Simpsons.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is what people believe who think musicals are like they are in The Simpsons.

In reality, they are much worse than that.

 

[steeplejack]

Fully expect the discussion to be a windmilling dogfight around the virtues of Filipino nose-flute virtuousos in ten pages

(who doesn't like The Godfather? Some right weirdoes on here)

 

[Santino]

In reality, they are much worse than that.

Most musicals are dross, but there are some amazing ones, and its pure snobbery to dismiss them all.

 

[killer b]

I thought you'd all enjoy this clip I found of early 00s post-punk also rans The Futureheads doing a surprisingly decent 4-part acapella performance of Sumer Is Icumen In btw

 

[Yossarian]

I'm surprised Nicolas Cage hasn't appeared in "Wicker: The Musical" on Broadway yet.

"Not the bees, not the bees, Jesus Christ, they're stinging my knees...."

 

[Wilf]

by this measure I just made up, the wicker man is not a musical.

No, no, no, LBJ is correct. Ask anybody.

Or, should I say, No, no, no, LBJ is correct. Ask anybody.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Most musicals are dross, but there are some amazing ones, and its pure snobbery to dismiss them all.

I dislike the form. Even films that may otherwise be very good, like Singing in the Rain or Mother India, are spoiled for me by the song breaks.

 

[killer b]

No, no, no, LBJ is correct. Ask anybody.

this is opera though

 

[Santino]

Some films can be half-and-half, like Frozen. The first part of the story is told through the songs. But the last part is just an adventure and they all stop singing.

 

[Santino]

I dislike the form. Even films that may otherwise be very good, like Singing in the Rain or Mother India, are spoiled for me by the song breaks.

That's a problem for you then, not the form.

 

[Santino]

"I don't like the form of two-dimensional images being used to represent three-dimensional objects, therefore all paintings are crap."

 

[Yossarian]

This is what people believe who think musicals are like they are in The Simpsons.

Tbf the only musicals I can remember watching are the South Park movie and La La Land, both of which I liked.

 

[killer b]

I dislike the form.

this is your issue then. you like the wickerman, therefore it can't possibly be a musical, because you don't like musicals.

 

[Santino]

Tbf the only musicals I can remember watching are the South Park movie and La La Land, both of which I liked.

I look forward to hearing your views on the form then.

 

[Yossarian]

I look forward to hearing your views on the form then.

"Mostly OK if you don't mind all the singing."