JimW
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He should create an Internet persona and obsessively edit the information into their Wikipedia entries. I rang round a few fast-tracked Oxbridge pundits and apparently this is the way to go.
Johann Hari admits copying and pasting interview quotes
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Ethnic nalgocrat
It's conjecture, based on that way Hari has acted in the past, and in the way I'd expect a reasonable person to respond, if someone asked their advice about doing something dodgy (i.e. that they'd mention at least in passing that it was in fact dodgy)
I think you're stretching this a bit. If you got caught with a bit of weed, got hung drawn and quartered in the media and accepted (you may not, but you did for the purpose of this hypothetical situation) that it was wrong to take the heat off, you would then go and drop everyone else in it who had admitted doing the same? Only a complete drip would behave like that. Plagiarism is wrong imho. But then I think about my views on intellectual preoperty rights and it's not like they've been raping grannies, is it?
Once a liar always a liar, eh?
love detective
there's no love too small
crap analogy
if he's genuinely concerned about the overall integrity of the journalistic profession then he can't ignore it
if he does ignore it, then it makes his 'apologies' even more meaningless than they already are - because he's in private condoning the things that he's publicly stating are now unacceptable - not a great start to his 'clean slate' that is it
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
READ HARI WITH NO ILLUSIONS
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Ethnic nalgocrat
Not just once, was it? lol
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Not forgetting the child porn.
It's hypocritical to hold people to a standard that you yourself wouldn't hold yourself to. Pick an analogy to suit.
So, we can just lift any old quotes from hari, state that he's lying because he's a liar, and then use them as the basis of a stick to beat him with?
Like I said earlier, it's piss poor and weakens your position to do that.
He does look like he could be Ronnie Barker's son. Actually, aesthetically, he always reminded me a bit of Dubversion. Mixed with Harry Potter.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
Have I just done that, though? I've also said why I think it's unlikely that real living "interviewers" would have said it's ok, without at least mentioning the 13th Commandment.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
I reckon that most people probably have higher professional standards than hari. And in the case of plumbers and electricians I fervently hope so!
They didn't say it was ok, though, did they? They admitted having done it. It's possible to do something that is wrong and know that it is unacceptable but still do it for whatever reason. And I suspect it's laziness rather than some kind of sinister motive behind it.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
Yes indeed, but isn't the whole point, that Hari says he asked people, and heard no warning bells from them about dodginess? How likely do you think that really is?
Which is an important point. A dodgy sparky could create damage in a way that plagiarism could never achieve. Plagiarism is just dishonesty. But it's unlikely that the original author lost out financially out of the plagiarism in the same way that a script writer would be affected by an entire work being stolen.
Surely the dodginess is implicit? If someone asked me if I'd taken ketamine I could say I had yet assume that they already knew the dangers if they wanted to venture there themselves? Otherwise you assume that they're a muppet and hand them a leaflet on drugs or something, which wasn't what they actually enquired about.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The guy wanted good copy to be fawned over and loved. His excuse is I have no excuse. He shouldn't be a journalist any more. His editors shouldn't be editors. His sockpuppeting was particularly damaging accusing Christine Odone of antisemitism? WTF?
I agree. I'm not defending hari btw, just attacking that blog and playing devils advocate a bit for debate and boredom's sake.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
Yes I know. Hari is such an obvious sleaze he's just fun to kick around, from whichever angle.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
What about the editors - how can they have wanted to protect him for so long? That's the real question.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
It makes me suspect there's an institutional culture of bulshitting in the newspapers, and Haris was just noobish enough to get caught, whereas others have been doing it more skillfully.
It's a combination of laziness and deadlines that created this particular monster. I don't think they always intentionally set out to lie. If they're not lifting quotes and passing them off as their own they're lifting half-researched material, adding their own condiments and then passing them off as facts. Y2K and the scary MMR jab are examples if this. I should quote a source really as it isn't my own work. Think it was Flat Earth News I read that in but the former was blatantly bollocks whilst the latter many people believed and placed their children in danger because of.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
The big name columnists are expected to sell a newspaper like an A-lister sells a film. Hari was, I suppose, too valuable to the Indy to kill off. They have few big names writing for them, and he was skillful at getting attention and even seeming to set the agenda sometimes. With the Indy's lack of investigative journos, that was one of the paper's few selling points.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And now it's their weak point. They are fucked
surely no amount of laundering will make hari a selling point anymore? i'm baffled they think him worth saving tbh - a few colourful articles on the US elections aren't going to scrub the defamation, plagiarism and paedo incest porn out of people's minds is it... surely their opinion of their readership isn't that low?
actually, it is isn't it?
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