james purnell hate thread

[Doctor Carrot]

Oh yeah, drug treatment is all about money, how silly of us drug workers thinking it was more complex! You should email the NTA with this revelation!

What? Did I say that drug treatment was all bout money? I don't believe I did. But surely you agree that more money spent on treatment for drug and alcohol addiction will not be a bad thing. The fact that there's only a handful of detox spaces in the whole of the country proves that.

 

[treelover]

Matthew Norman: It takes a rich man to pour such scorn on the poor

As the disability defiant Churchill would agree, an army must carry its wounded

Thursday, 11 December 2008
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Please don't take this the wrong way, by reading into it any witless cockney rhyming slang intent that isn't there, but the man behind this new assault on our benefit-dependent poor would appear to be a total investment banker.

Perhaps I do David Freud, architect of the White Paper on welfare reform, a disservice. Maybe, during all his years raising £50bn for the likes of Railtrack and EuroDisney, Mr Freud sat up night after night with the ProPlus, studying the issue until dawn broke over a lavish home far removed, we may guess, from the sink estates he claims he wants to salvage from workless despair.

And yet, by his own words, it seems not. "I didn't know anything about welfare when I started," he told The Daily Telegraph in February, "but that may have been an advantage... In a funny way, the solution was obvious." The special hilarity here, apart from the notion of any obvious answer to so ferociously complex a social conundrum, is how long he took to travel from absolute ignorance to omniscience.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ing&mode=thanks&postingId=1062459#postcomment

Anyone read Matthew Norman's article in The Independent today? its brilliant! Swiftian even, completely nails down Purnell and Freud,

 

[Cressi]

And to add insult to injury......the arrogance of it all......David Freud.........3 weeks to blitz the benefit system!!!!!

brilliant Independent article.......so maybe its hate purswell + his chum...Mr Freud Esq..........whatever next?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Anyone read Matthew Norman's article in The Independent today? its brilliant! Swiftian even, completely nails down Purnell and Freud,

The Grauniad had quite a lot of letters arguing against the reforms as their main fixture on the letters page today (friday).

 

[Cressi]

No consultations......no Listening.......just spin , spin spin. Sad really because politicians just alienate themselves.

 

[Blagsta]

What? Did I say that drug treatment was all bout money? I don't believe I did. But surely you agree that more money spent on treatment for drug and alcohol addiction will not be a bad thing. The fact that there's only a handful of detox spaces in the whole of the country proves that.

You said "all the money given to the banks could've cleaned up every single addict in this country" which says that it's all about money - given enough money in treatment services, we could "cure" all addicts. A silly statement.

There's more than a handful of detox, you're wildly exaggerating. Yes, there needs to be more residential available, but it's not just about money in services.

 

[Chuff]

fuck me 21 pages

 

[Psychonaut]

Just had my work focused interview as an income support claimant with mental health issues. The worst 30 minutes of my life for a long time. They were tryig to catch me out the whole way through with questions that showed s tunning lack of understanding of how mental health (and probably any kind of issue) affects people. They want to distill your problems into a simple soundbite and address them in a demeaning, snide and totally black and white fashion. Their logic seems to be that if tyou can turn up for the interview then you can do a job (ie an interview i had no choice in attending). Meanwhile i'm sat barely able to speak, feeling extremely anxious, shaky and sick. They don't care.

sorry to hear this, do you know how long you have till you get the result?

A girl on another forum is convinced they lied (or at least severely distorted) as to recording what was said in the interview. Fuck, were the new asylum seekers arnt we?

Did you get sent an IB50 shortly before being summoned? I got one this week, and i worried myself sick at first, but now im getting used to the thought of living off JSA - its holding on to JSA/jobs that bothers me. Like you ive been 'caring' for an elderly relative (on good days) but thats my nan ffs, id be there anyway.

If im fucked anyway, i may as well go on the offensive & craft the inevitable meltdown into a personal diatribe. Itll never happen IRL tho; realistically ill just shrivel up & stutter. maybe ill just go in on a full bladder & piss myself everywhere - thatll show em!

 

[Awesome Wells]

fuck me 21 pages

it's almost as if people have a lot to say about a contentious subject, captain.

 

[Awesome Wells]

sorry to hear this, do you know how long you have till you get the result?

A girl on another forum is convinced they lied (or at least severely distorted) as to recording what was said in the interview. Fuck, were the new asylum seekers arnt we?

Did you get sent an IB50 shortly before being summoned? I got one this week, and i worried myself sick at first, but now im getting used to the thought of living off JSA - its holding on to JSA/jobs that bothers me. Like you ive been 'caring' for an elderly relative (on good days) but thats my nan ffs, id be there anyway.

If im fucked anyway, i may as well go on the offensive & craft the inevitable meltdown into a personal diatribe. Itll never happen IRL tho; realistically ill just shrivel up & stutter. maybe ill just go in on a full bladder & piss myself everywhere - thatll show em!

there is no result, this is the work focussed interview. What happens is that people get 'referred' to the JCP's local provider of choice. Even though there is a conflict with the provider I already see (but who cares what's best for the 'client' eh!).

Stupidly, because there is only one provider (called Working Links, who may or may not be the sole provider for the whole country for all I know), this means that, given the current pogrom, they will be hopelessly inundated. End result = people don't get help. There is no way one organsiation will cope with the numbers that Mr P and his flunkies wish to send to these groups.

 

[panpete]

My computer won't boot up, what does it say?

that was the bottom few lines.

Purnell said he was right to press ahead with the reforms in the face of the downturn. "We should not repeat the mistakes of the 80s and 90s when hundreds of thousands were shuffled on to inactive benefits to keep the unemployment count down and were trapped there without support, abandoning them and scarring their communities."

In potentially the most radical reform, Purnell said he was going ahead with plans to pilot in five areas plans to allow new private and voluntary sector organisations to be paid to get back people back to work, with savings kept by the firms.

The pilots will start in March 2011 in Lambeth, Glasgow, West Midlands, Greater Manchester and Norfolk. In addition, all IB claimants will be transferred to ESA between 2010 and 2013. The identity of the contractors is likely to be known in the spring.

The shadow work secretary, Chris Grayling, said his party would back the bulk of the proposals. The strongest hostility is likely to come in the Lords over the reforms to disability benefits.

 

[rollinder]

Stupidly, because there is only one provider (called Working Links, who may or may not be the sole provider for the whole country for all I know), this means that, given the current pogrom, they will be hopelessly inundated. End result = people don't get help. There is no way one organsiation will cope with the numbers that Mr P and his flunkies wish to send to these groups.

There's more than one provider - A4E are doing Pathway
To Employment here - they've got large standees/bilboards arround the building along the lines of "'Thanks to A4E and Pathways I've got a job - so can you' - this is Dave he's a builder and he's deaf" one even says "'I never thought I'd be able to work again but thanks to A4E & Pathways I'm now running my own business' this is ..... who's previously suffered from depression" - so attending Pathways/A4E magicallially banishes depression now?
looking at the last thing I've had to fill in for them the cunts haven't even got my birthdate right

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think, if this goes through, it would have a devastating effect on the economy.
This is for many reasons.

Absloutely. For one thing, why will companies bother to shell out for the minimum wage when they can get workers for free from workfare schemes? When our fearless leaders can't even handle the internal logic of trickle-down economics, itself an obvious logical fallacy, then we know we're in trouble

 

[SpookyFrank]

Stupidly, because there is only one provider (called Working Links, who may or may not be the sole provider for the whole country for all I know), this means that, given the current pogrom, they will be hopelessly inundated. End result = people don't get help. There is no way one organsiation will cope with the numbers that Mr P and his flunkies wish to send to these groups.

New contractors will spring up, don't you worry about that. They appeared quickly enough in the first place when all this new deal nonsense started. I daresay there's plenty of people from working links and simillar companies whispering in Purnell's ear as these plans are drawn up, making sure they get their fair share of taxpayers' cash and are well placed to deal with (exploit) the influx of poor sods kicked off IB and the hordes of newly unemployed people.

 

[Awesome Wells]

There's more than one provider - A4E are doing Pathway
To Employment here - they've got large standees/bilboards arround the building along the lines of "'Thanks to A4E and Pathways I've got a job - so can you' - this is Dave he's a builder and he's deaf" one even says "'I never thought I'd be able to work again but thanks to A4E & Pathways I'm now running my own business' this is ..... who's previously suffered from depression" - so attending Pathways/A4E magicallially banishes depression now?
looking at the last thing I've had to fill in for them the cunts haven't even got my birthdate right

Depends where you live. Locally it's Working Links. There has also been (as I mentioned before I think) a 45% increase in the number of people out of work to around 1500. I know they are already swamped and people who have been referred to them won't actually get to see them for a few months at least. Even then you will only see them five times - once a month. Afterwards, presumably, you will not need them anymore.

 

[trevhagl]

New contractors will spring up, don't you worry about that. They appeared quickly enough in the first place when all this new deal nonsense started. I daresay there's plenty of people from working links and simillar companies whispering in Purnell's ear as these plans are drawn up, making sure they get their fair share of taxpayers' cash and are well placed to deal with (exploit) the influx of poor sods kicked off IB and the hordes of newly unemployed people.

I've never known a government to waste so much money on consultants and other shysters....

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've never known a government to waste so much money on consultants and other shysters....

Shocking isn't it? Claimants get the bare minimum needed to survive, whilst the fucking contractors get bonuses left right and centre for forcing people into work or driving them to such despair that they just give up and hang themselves.

 

[_angel_]

Shocking isn't it? Claimants get the bare minimum needed to survive, whilst the fucking contractors get bonuses left right and centre for forcing people into work or driving them to such despair that they just give up and hang themselves.

What work? They'll be forcing a load of people with poor health conditions (including mental health problems) into workfare. Then make redundant a load of workers already doing those jobs...

.. which will lead to an increase in stuff like housing benefit as well as other benefits being paid out.

It is *not* going to be good for the economy.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You said "all the money given to the banks could've cleaned up every single addict in this country" which says that it's all about money - given enough money in treatment services, we could "cure" all addicts. A silly statement.

There's more than a handful of detox, you're wildly exaggerating. Yes, there needs to be more residential available, but it's not just about money in services.

Sounds like you're just being a nit picking, pedantic arse over my choice of words when you clearly understand the point I was making, but this is Urban 75 after all

 

[Blagsta]

I'm responding to what you wrote. I dunno what else you expect me to do!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Absloutely. For one thing, why will companies bother to shell out for the minimum wage when they can get workers for free from workfare schemes? When our fearless leaders can't even handle the internal logic of trickle-down economics, itself an obvious logical fallacy, then we know we're in trouble

They won't be getting workers for free.

In some cases businesses will be getting financial incentives.

 

[Cressi]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MEzQ8-wwggg&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn.......

 

[brasicritique]

and another thing john bird is a cxxx what is his problem ? when the big issues founder turns into a right wing nut supporting this project you have to wonder wtf has happened to this place

 

[Cressi]

Its the big boys ...oh we are so clever enuff to decide systems .....streamline......spin the package.........siggys great grand son for godsake what ho!

 

[rollinder]

and another thing john bird is a cxxx what is his problem ? when the big issues founder turns into a right wing nut supporting this project you have to wonder wtf has happened to this place

he's been going cuntwards for a while

 

[ViolentPanda]

and another thing john bird is a cxxx what is his problem ? when the big issues founder turns into a right wing nut supporting this project you have to wonder wtf has happened to this place

He's been a cunt for a while. he's so up his own arse about how he pulled his own socks up that he's become like one of those boring twats who goes on and on about how if he could do it, so could anyone else (conveniently forgetting that his disability and cause of unemployment was self-inflicted and treatable).

 

[trevhagl]

They won't be getting workers for free.

In some cases businesses will be getting financial incentives.

Asda already ARE getting workers for free. My ex workmate stopped me in the shop and told me they got a woman on the checkout who's there for 3 months and it costs the company fuck all.

 

[trevhagl]

He's been a cunt for a while. he's so up his own arse about how he pulled his own socks up that he's become like one of those boring twats who goes on and on about how if he could do it, so could anyone else (conveniently forgetting that his disability and cause of unemployment was self-inflicted and treatable).

Aye i noticed that in the big issue a year or two ago, wanker.

 

[Dozy]

Purnell said he was right to press ahead with the reforms in the face of the downturn. "We should not repeat the mistakes of the 80s and 90s when hundreds of thousands were shuffled on to inactive benefits to keep the unemployment count down and were trapped there without support, abandoning them and scarring their communities."

Purnell will not repeat the mistakes of the 80s and 90s. No, he will be making the same mistakes as Canada, which will result in deaths.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Asda already ARE getting workers for free. My ex workmate stopped me in the shop and told me they got a woman on the checkout who's there for 3 months and it costs the company fuck all.

i love this idea (NOT) that work experience doesn't include the fundamental experience of receiving a wage as renumeration.