james purnell hate thread

[AnnO'Neemus]

i do not. Where there is hate there is anger.

Look here he is - the patronising git;
http://www.jamespurnell.org.uk/constituency.asp

Where ddo the New Labour elite hang out in Manchester -which polico bars? Do they have free lunches with the council. These places have names. They can be found and traced and followed.... Class Hero medal freshly minted by me to the first person to get him

Saw Hazel Blears in Peveril's Peak once. Funnily enough, on an urbanite book group night. Asked her if she actually believed all the nonsense she came out with. Or something like that.

 

[Demosthenes]

What did she say?

or does she just refuse to do unscripted interviews. ?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

...The fact it has not occurred to this bastard that there are some carers who have to look after partners (etc) 24/7 and can not even get the time to go out take a walk around the block, let alone bugger off for an afternoon of mandatory time wasting, just says it all really....

Can you not feed your children loads of sweets and E-number artificial additives and take them along to the interview with you and have them bouncing off the walls in the interview room?

 

[Demosthenes]

..

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

What did she say?

or does she just refuse to do unscripted interviews. ?

Can't recall what she said, tbh, it was an urbanite night, and I may have partaken of several glasses of red wine at the time...

Think Blears left the pub shortly afterwards though!

 

[Awesome Wells]

I just want to know what you and others of a similar pov have got against doing work for the community in exchange for benefits (if I ws running it would be enhanced benefits though).

There is nothing wrong with the principle of work = money.

Here you are being extremely disingenuous again.

Quite apart from the fact that what is being proposed is full time work, which means exploitation (unless they plan to up the dole to at least the NMW).

Quite apart from the fact it will put people out of work solely to create an economic underclass of dole slaves to do work that could be given to people as paid work.

Quite apart from the fact that the idea hasn't worked where tried.

Why are you obssessed with giving the unemployed the responsibility of cleaning up their community. Shouldn't it be shared by all who live there? I don't see you championing community values so broadly if at all, but the minute the unemployed are mentioned people like you start proclaiming it's solely their responsibility - as if their unemployment is creating the mess they have to clear up.

 

[Awesome Wells]

did I misshear the radio or have they really announced that the take training / the first job they offer you or be forced to do community service / "lose your handouts" (as Radio one so charminly put it) plan is going to apply to all benefits either over two years or in two years time?

Actually i had heard it was coming in in two years. So perhaps the government finally are getting the message that now is not the right time at least.

 

[panpete]

Scaremongering.
Feeding peoples paranoia.

 

[_angel_]

Can you not feed your children loads of sweets and E-number artificial additives and take them along to the interview with you and have them bouncing off the walls in the interview room?

I don't even need to do that, actually!

 

[Zachor]

you are a major prize turnip as this scheme is proposed there will be little difference between the type of community work done by petty criminals and claiments and is in keeping with the development of a new serf class who will be used to keep wages low in the race to the bottom- there will be 5-6 million people on these new benefits by 2011 imo and as the work trials expand wages will held down. Secondly most of this work will be thru charities - who in turn will not need to employ staff on wages -This whole scheme is basically also about putting downward pressure on wages as a whole how the unions can even allow work trials to go on at the moment when they will be used to keep wages low is sick still i supose there is some union out there who funds purnell - rememebr when there was all this stuff about unions not funding MPs who had not done much for the the unions? i wonder which union sponsors purnell

Up to a point I agree with you but I see nothing wrong in havin gthe healthy unwaged work for their money.

Labour has now ultimately sold its soul what is worse is how some of you will still vote for them and try and say they are better than the tories ! get real and start a new movement which bars swapies and you migth chnage somthing

Now the idea of a new party that excludes the swappie scum is a good one.

 

[Spion]

Up to a point I agree with you but I see nothing wrong in havin gthe healthy unwaged work for their money.

And what should be the rate per hour?

And why not just create jobs at proper rates of pay then? There's plenty of work to be done.

Now the idea of a new party that excludes the swappie scum is a good one.

Heil Zachor!

 

[Zachor]

And what should be the rate per hour?

NMW if possible.

And why not just create jobs at proper rates of pay then? There's plenty of work to be done.

In an ideal world that what should be done.

Heil Zachor!

Aha! I've just looked back at my post and have just realised I shouldn't have used the term 'New Party' as it has unfortunate Mosleyite connotations.

 

[dennisr]

it has unfortunate Mosleyite connotations.

see, you knew you would get there in the end

 

[Zachor]

see, you knew you would get there in the end

It was a genuine mistake - honest.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Up to a point I agree with you but I see nothing wrong in havin gthe healthy unwaged work for their money.

You really aren't getting it.

Do you think that giving people work but not paying them a proper wage (unless they increase benefits) is acceptable then?

Would you work full time for JSA plus a few quid on top (usually a tenner, if you're lucky).

Can you just not see how insidious this is? If there are jobs that can be done, why not hire people? Christ, it's not as if there's a shortage!

Of course this has nothing to do with getting people into work - and don't be fooled that this will look good on the cv!

 

[Awesome Wells]

NMW if possible.



In an ideal world that what should be done.



Aha! I've just looked back at my post and have just realised I shouldn't have used the term 'New Party' as it has unfortunate Mosleyite connotations.

Do you think the NMW is an ideal wage then?

Why would you not want to pay people more; a proper wage perhaps.

 

[ViolentPanda]

is this union still sponsoring pursewell ?

the Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union,(Registered 20 December 2001)

the unions getting fat with the bankers

Why doesn't that surprise me?
Probably because the AEEU has consistently been even more rightist in terms of policy than even "establishment" torch-bearers such as the POA and Police Federation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Actually i had heard it was coming in in two years. So perhaps the government finally are getting the message that now is not the right time at least.

Full roll-out in 2010 according to Radio 4 news last night and this morning.

 

[Dozy]

The DWP may end up with a lot of blood on their hands if they don't get the welfare reforms right first time. Many many vulnerable people are out there relying on the DWP to keep them alive.

I firmly believe we will be seeing life and death situations in 2010.

 

[Zachor]

The DWP may end up with a lot of blood on their hands if they don't get the welfare reforms right first time. Many many vulnerable people are out there relying on the DWP to keep them alive.

I firmly believe we will be seeing life and death situations in 2010.

Yup this could go either way. All depends on whether the thrust of these reforms are dealing with ingrained idleness of various sorts (which takes money and time) or is just a cheesparing exercise.

 

[hipipol]

Up to a point I agree with you but I see nothing wrong in havin gthe healthy unwaged work for their money.
.

Erm aint that then "working" and consequently, "waged"?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yup this could go either way. All depends on whether the thrust of these reforms are dealing with ingrained idleness of various sorts (which takes money and time) or is just a cheesparing exercise.

No it doesn't.
It depends on whether the government focuses it's concerns appropriately, or whether they prefer to look 'ard in the media.

 

[Zachor]

No it doesn't.
It depends on whether the government focuses it's concerns appropriately, or whether they prefer to look 'ard in the media.

I would include looking hard in the media with the cheesparing myself.

 

[trevhagl]

The DWP may end up with a lot of blood on their hands if they don't get the welfare reforms right first time. Many many vulnerable people are out there relying on the DWP to keep them alive.

I firmly believe we will be seeing life and death situations in 2010.

We're already seeing them now. I have met people who have been turned down for DLA/incapacity who have tried to kill themselves.

 

[panpete]

I think, if this goes through, it would have a devastating effect on the economy.
This is for many reasons.

 

[panpete]

Have a read of today's obsessive offering from the guardian

 

[trevhagl]

I think, if this goes through, it would have a devastating effect on the economy.
This is for many reasons.

The thick cunts don't realise that if you stop people's money (and they're aiming at a million plus) that's someone who isn't going to be spending, and most likely they're gonna be stealing . They are not too bright. The only thing they care about is browny points from the right wing tabloids (and saving money)

 

[trevhagl]

Have a read of today's obsessive offering from the guardian

My computer won't boot up, what does it say?

 

[treelover]

Dozy, said

The DWP may end up with a lot of blood on their hands if they don't get the welfare reforms right first time. Many many vulnerable people are out there relying on the DWP to keep them alive.

I firmly believe we will be seeing life and death situations in 2010.


Thsi from a recent welfare campaign document

There is also no guarantee such brutal policies work. A Canadian Govt report has shown their Welfare To Work programmes just didn't achieve their aims. The report clearly showed that there had been no increase in the numbers of employable welfare clients declaring employment income after leaving welfare. In fact, many actually have died on the streets

(4)http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/11/12/NoWelfare

 

[treelover]

we cannot give tax payers money to people that play the system""

Did Purnell realy say this, did anyone tell the City and the Bankers, oh the Ironing....